Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When doing missions, how about actually displaying useful information like resists in play and recommended ships like on some of 3rd party websites. To not part away with role playing aspect of the game you could hint at say caldari be discreet and manipluative, or amar being zealous without whole lot of depth to their thinking, while having resists and maybe enemy count and behaviour be part of briefing or intelligence type thing. Like you see this smart interfaces in future with pop up windows and transitions, maybe those would be helpful as popups during triggers. Another thing to avoid having to open journal for destinations maybe link them under navigation thing in top left corner along with other things.

Another thing that would encourage people to play or make your marketing campaigns more effective is to maybe to link wikis as in CIV or Shogun witch would really guide decisions. Another thing on the topic would be more graphic info on modules or something smarter that would help people compare, besides actually making a compare button alongside minimize/close that would put the thing onto a list. Your compare tool also needs some filtering of things that are trivial or match across the board. In those terms listing things that differ would be optimal and are likely to be of interest when say comparing two items highlighting superior attributes apposed by red attributes of inferior item would be helpful in recognizing possibly different roles like say t2 and faction ammo. You'd probably have to open wiki department for tickets indicating whats missing for descision making translating into more meaningful gameplay not requiring frustration.

Natural Selection has video guides integrated into the game, so that would be an improvement to your noobie introduction. Like guiding shadowy cursor appearing during directions along with background voice explaining mechanics (like where you have to double click for the ship to move).

Some of other items and concepts would probably require extra information or even introductions like wormholes (maybe actually indicate WH destination once you've decided to tip at it with graphics). ISK making would probably do you a lot of good in terms of keeping newbs engagned who don't quite feel tempted to pay for what they don't understand. Incursions could probably introduced by concord officer or something going over general difficulty, etc.

Corp recruitment and "fairly realistic and complicated economic system" accesability and convinience is scandalous for space age game. Including attributes like laid back, hardcore, autocratic, democratic along with any other feature that would make the tool relevant therefore more reliant in terms of what recruiters describe themselves as, whereas atm they entirely go for visibility. Another thing that would help maybe is an intricate, volunteary, standerdised testing with you using same concept suggesting proffesion with the "sandbox". Evewho and killboard type of features would probably stake into capsuleers sense of identity within game along with providing convenience for recruiters and players looking for transitions. Exotic items or contracts with services need a platform instead of forums. Providing such information at a click of a button (relevant to recruitment) instead of APIs would streamline the process further. Services need be suggested on market. Include a ticketbox for what you could actually use upon purchase? Contracts need some help, too, for buying already rigged ship or useful junk as in wholesale is good for everyone. Some reccuring items don't get stacked, when not knowing what to do with your time aside from real life, looking through contracts by filters relating to gameplay (like ship purchasing) while like looking for something new might be helpful. Maybe automatic calculation of worth of items on market would be nice, along with attribute wholesale would make for funner margin trading. Make things easier for haulers by offering taxi mode in a sense that contracts get offered that would make sense.

Another thing for navigation could hopefully include things that capsuleer may wish to take into account ideally like map statistics and system features (repaird/medbay) or cyno fuel availability. Integrating jump drive travel into the EVE would pan out well, like actually setting a destination for a system and it would pinpoint systems taking into account the above features. Works well for roaming fleets, too, as they may be suicidal or looking for farming/mining pilots.

Something a bit more expensive and consuming would be the ability to dialing up to leadership or contacts through in-game voice doing away with having to alt-tab into communications client after which looking for the said person. or even say the ability to relay relevant information like scout intel or screen output to different player (along with bookmarks {like with actual information facilitating trade of intel without 3rd parties}, as much as they serve some higher purpose, actually doing stuff thats more meaningfull would probably be a bit less degrading or demeaning).

It would be nice if EFT could be entirely incorporated into fitting menu leaving people to better means of entertainment other than rotating the ship and counting number of cycles. Also not leaving noobs and experimentalists discouraged after buying the wrong stuff and/or discovering that they have done so. Like if you want cash than intergrating character market or having an option to look for characters that could fly your dream ship at a click would probably encourage plex purchasing, and with extra tooltips and smarter interface the bittervets would probably find it difficulter to put down such noobs on terms that don't involve spectacular stories that you're so fond of.

I say this **** will probably make for better game through extra content and interactive play compared to what ever you may be working on now.

Can you hire me?

BRB, gonna grab my overnight bag before reading the "Wall-O-Text".

You may want a TL:DR version

What?

3rd party tools were admitttedly born because not all of the info is available in-game, but instead of indicating that the game is flawed to a point of not functioning, it shows that people want those tools to get the info in a separate way. You don't need a website to check what damage type to tank against when fighting faction X unless you're new or have an extremely bad memory.

On corp recruitment: this is an MMO, you are expected to talk to people if you wish to play with them. Having tags tell you that "This is a corp for self-sufficient introverts who only stay here because we have 5% tax and we will reform if anything sneezes towards us" is not really marketing the corp or the game in a positive manner.

Wasting my time on people who, despite their advertisement, are not doing what they say and what I want to do, is also not exactly "marketing the corp or the game in a positive manner". I have my doubts that more info, which can be shown, will be beneficial in that regard, as the players would still advertise in the good old ad deceiving fashion everything that attracts people regardless whether it's true or not, but it could at least sift out some of them.

Added numbers for easier replying:

1. Capital nav window and manual labor (3rd party tools automate this)

2. Show info gives exactly the same information as 3rd party tools, but it's not conveniently presented so once again, manual labor

3. Training multiplier tells exactly how long it takes to train and you can do the math from the SP/hour formula, maybe making a nice spreadsheet, manual labor

4. Run an API, that's in-game CCP provided tool which is usable OOG, manual labor. If you don't have the API, there's no way of gaining information on the player, you actually ahve an advantage because you can get actual intel form someone posting their API to a KB. Are you going to say no for easy and convenient intel which is not available outside of them willing to give it out on their own accord?

5. It is good enough for intel but it's more convenient to have the information in a format you want to, manual labor required once again

Here's the thing:

Every single service CCP offers (client, tickets, API) is 100% good enough to play the game, but people prefer to get only the relevant information out of a system in a way which is the easiest to understand and use. A random player doesn't do anything with the knowledge of how to run an API to get industry jobs for your corp but an industrial manager at a corp does. This info is also available in-game, but it's more convenient to actually have an external tool lo cherry-pick the things you need from the sea of information.

Just because you think that 3rd party tools are a required thing to play Eve does not mean they aren't built purely for their EASY OF ACCESS and CONVENIENCE. The programs are there to automate things humans can't be arsed to do manually, just like when computers and pocket calculators were first invented.

tl;dr: client has all the info you need but it's easier to gather that info into a single tool which automates menial tasks of calculating stuff like skill training and cherry-picks the info you want to play with instead of having to figure that out yourself.

Well, that's kind of the whole point: game client has all those information but it doesn't present it in convenient way. I didn't say information is not there because it is but it is not accessible in easy and flexible way.

I don't believe nobody voiced their concerns about planning training toward ship or module at the beginning of Eve. I know, back then CCP was just a bunch of bastards and they didn't listen at all. That doesn't mean they couldn't listen now when they are all about hugs and kisses. Contrary to what elitists would like us to believe Eve is a game and as a game it should provide maximum amount of fun within itself. Notice amount of times when you classified activities as 'manual labor', not exactly words you would like to hear about your game as its developer, right?

But of course it's easier to dump all static info to database and give it to community, they will make tools for free and call it content.

because i'm bored. if op of "killboard links are gr8" meaning that it would discourage pvp, it's not exactly that. with some kind of waypointing for extra pvp, like say campers or something, people are just more likely to literally think that it's my destiny rather than despite that i've been at it for 20 jumps, its more so of a random thing, which will get me someday, and this exact instance isn't great. another factor would be that carebears knowing that their kills are their exposed dicks sort of thing, would be more encouraged into growing that other than their wallet or the kinds of ship they undock in. edit, having percentage of survival in that particular combat scenario on KB would probably make things more honor orientated and story driven.

now the two ****** things that are making smart navigation routing that is it will effectively work against itself when you make it for both pvp or pve, but the reason why smart navigation should be is that looking at star map just doesn't really give you much in way of fullfilling those two functions. statistics kind of help in that aspect, but it does not at all translate into your sense of what will be on your route unless you've set destination and now are down to blacklisting systems which doesn't work great meaning most people don't bother if they have to be there. I say make like a percentage of survival, make a filter for acceptable survival rate. the idea that there's a constant risk with traveling somewhere that doesn't have anything to do with known gate camps would probably encourage escorts making pvp less of a random, meaningless, and lonely endeavor. saying on comms who wants to have a go at 40% survival rate journey with a bait (also, makes logi a bit more perspective of a thing for people who like to help out, but not be like unsung heroes) sounds better than can someone babysit me . would probably mess with the risk algorithm if the "defending" party actually succeeds, but than again they're not exactly that. to actually not make it more of a anti-gate camp thing. here's like the idea make it more of a area sort of thing that looks at player vs player damage in terms of hull ehp along the percentages of where he's going to go extrapulated from gate usage and maybe direction, meaning that if there were a large battle 3 heavily used systems away from your route than you get a higher chance of being encountered. sure enough that would make things unfair by giving away position of stationary pvpers, but than again your update allowing siphoning of moon ore was trying to make it up to solo players or small gangs rather than just FW in low sec. There's probably a better way of formulating it that makes it semi accurate which makes it dat more unpredictable yet reliable while not taking too much away from your servers running single threaded game :p.

Ill make introductary bulletpoints sort of thing, so that they meet my demand that i forget, edit: i've reached the text limit on my first post :P