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Ships that suck, what ship would you change?
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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#41 - 2011-12-11 03:15:03 UTC
Kent Reeves wrote:
Prophecy/Maller

Probably best to remove the tier system sub battleship, honestly.


We're working on that.

Overhaul Dscan!
Sefner
Banana Enterprises
#42 - 2011-12-11 04:34:44 UTC
Of the assualt frigates the only ones that are about right are the Ishkur and Wolf (IMHO). The Amarr ones in particular need some love. Apart from AFs the T1 logi wannabes could use some tweaking. Im not suggesting an Exchequor should be as good as an Oneiros (lol) but something vaguely similiar but underpowered would work better than what we have now.

Tier 3 BCs were introduced as a niche ship. They do what they are supposed to do very well. Why shouldnt there be other ships with a similiar mindset? Frigates than can mount 1 large gun, Battleships that can use many many small guns with massive efficiency.

Ah OP was asking about existing ships so ill shut up.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#43 - 2011-12-11 04:53:24 UTC
ALL Gallente.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#44 - 2011-12-11 05:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: AkJon Ferguson
All CCP-specific ships, mods and implants fail. Remove them from TQ, please.
Kordoc
Death Metal Rooster
#45 - 2011-12-11 06:28:09 UTC
Anything with one mid-slot.
Xenial Jesse Taalo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-12-11 08:17:39 UTC
I don't think the Coercer should get more than 1 slot. Yeah, it's terrible and such, but it's there for the variety of what that brings even if it is not a common one. More importantly, destroyers are destroyers - no boundaries to cross training them. No-one is stuck with a Coercer, so let it remain a kooky choice in my opinion.

The Retribution on the other hand... tough one. I would like to argue the same way - that it provides variety - but this time there are players who are really shafted without an alternative inside of a week's skill training, and that's before they even begin the cross-trained gunnery. Except, they get the Slicer. The Slicer is the saving grace of the Amarr frigs. So, dunno about the Retri.
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2011-12-11 18:31:46 UTC
I can only go from experience and I've only flown amarr so here goes:


Drop the Retribution's utility high slot for a second mid

Add a bit more PG to the Omen

Swap the Punisher's 10% bonus to cap use to rate of fire or damage; there's no incentive to use energy turrets over, say, projectiles, even with the bonus they still use more cap.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-12-11 18:41:27 UTC
Kordoc wrote:
Anything with one mid-slot.


Any covert ops ship with only two high slots.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#49 - 2011-12-11 18:42:20 UTC
ORE ships need to have a grid and CPU beyond that of a frigate

The pie is a tautology
ghost st
Sua Sponte
#50 - 2011-12-11 22:40:46 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
I can only go from experience and I've only flown amarr so here goes:


Drop the Retribution's utility high slot for a second mid

Add a bit more PG to the Omen

Swap the Punisher's 10% bonus to cap use to rate of fire or damage; there's no incentive to use energy turrets over, say, projectiles, even with the bonus they still use more cap.


I like the retributions utility high slotBig smile
Lili Lu
#51 - 2011-12-11 23:44:03 UTC
Mr M wrote:
Breacher
Same tier as kestrel but don't have any edge except for being slightly faster.

Belicose
Target painter bonus, projectile bonus and split weapon systems? Makes it kind of meh and nearly no one fly it.
Target painters mostly good for missiles and the only missile boat minmatar has is the typhoon.

Hyena
Web bonus is nice but a lot of times a vigil does the job better at a 1/10 of the price. And again, painter bonus.

Low tier industrials
Not much point in getting on of these instead of the higher ones. Needs separate roles.


the top two would benefit from removal of the tier system. The Bellicose in particular should become a missile boat (and the tech II variants as well). The Hyena suffers from EAF syndrome (well the sentinel and kitsune don't need any buff, just maybe more hp like all of them do).
Vio Geraci
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2011-12-12 01:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vio Geraci
give the retribution one less mid slot
Doriana Grey
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-12-12 01:10:36 UTC
Teleni Pavle wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
All Caldari sub-battleships with a bonus to optimal range.


Especially those with TWO bonuses to optimal range.


Especially ones that rhyme with "Smeagol."
Inir Ishtori
Perkone
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-12-12 02:12:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Inir Ishtori
all amarr ships with just one medium slot need fixing.

helios: give it the old model back(or recoloured one of the current keres - DO EEEEET! Evil ), + 1 high slot to fit a salvager(not a weapon slot), keep the drone. i wants it sooo bad Bear.

myrmidon: moar drone bandwidth please (+25m³ seems reasonable) and a bit more capacity to hold additional drones.

amarr t1 BC getting a bit more dps would be nice. i like that hull, but the BC itself seems kind of useless. probably the worst of t1 BCs.
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
#55 - 2011-12-12 03:04:43 UTC
Thorax

One more mid slot.

I would OWN New Eden if that change was made.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2011-12-12 03:10:19 UTC
I'm probably not going to be popular by saying this:

Nerf all Battlecruisers.

Everywhere you look people are flying battlecruisers. Specifically the Tier 2 variants. Battlecruisers shouldnt be passive tanking like a Tier 1 battleship, or better when it comes to the drake, and putting out nearly as good DPS across a wider range of targets.

Nerfing battlecruisers will make other ship classes a bit more viable and worthwhile to fly. For instance, battleships were much more popular before the Tier 2 battlecruisers came out, as were hacs.

When you go out on a roam, either solo or in gang, wouldn't you like to see and engage something different than battlecruisers? I sure would.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Midori Tsu
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#57 - 2011-12-12 03:12:27 UTC
Eos - Its pretty pointless to use, not to mention Information Warfare has no real valid use.

Prophecy - change the energy weapon bonus to a heavy assault missile rof bonus.
Alara IonStorm
#58 - 2011-12-12 03:13:00 UTC
All Ewar Cruisers as effective in there roles as the Blackbird. Modeled off the highly successful Recon Class when it comes to bonus though less so then there T2 Counterparts. Basically duel Ewar Bonuses like the BB.

Effective T1 Logi. Change the second bonus to a Logi one. Lower the Training one the Procurer to Industry 4 to take over for the Osprey / Scythe.

All Combat Cruisers and Combat HAC's that are lacking. The Zealot and Vagabond have Niches that a Nanocane can not copy, all Cruisers should have there Niche.

T1 Ceptors.

Basically bye bye Tier System.
The Snowman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2011-12-12 03:23:22 UTC
The problem isnt that some ships suck, its that some ships are just too awesome.

Take logistics ships.. its not that most of them suck, its that the Gaurdian is the best, which means that one ship, on its own makes many other ships suck.... essentially this means that actually, the guardian is the most sucky of them all because its existence means that your choice is limited to that one ship alone.

I know my analogy is flawed, but I think it makes the point.

Problem is, you cant go nerfing ships.. because people never see the truth for what it is... nerfing one thing, is a buff to another... but it will never be seen that way.

But i digress...

My choice is the Hyperion. A t3 BS, supposedly the top of its class.. but its two counter parts can do any task that you might ask a BS to do, but in a far better way. Buff Hyperion, or nerf Domi and mega.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#60 - 2011-12-12 04:32:40 UTC
The smaller industrial ships should be permitted an extra turret high slot to allow them to auxiliary cruisers. The largest racial Industrials (mammoth, Iti V, etc), being king already, don't get the benefit.

The Procurer, FFS, at least give it a jump range boost or something. This things range is so pathetic that snails give it the finger when they pass it while it waits to recharge.

Oh can somebody fix the sound problem with the Noctis so that the salvager stops running? (or is that just a bug I hear?)

-Mad

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