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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Random WHs and the New Small Ship WHs

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Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#441 - 2014-09-11 20:36:29 UTC
CCP probably thought: "Hey, Frigs are super popular in FW, let's try to replicate FW complexes in wormhole space!"

Well CCP, the reason why those complexes work in FW is because both sides are limited to frigs. Forcing only one side to bring Frigs will not result in any pew.
Srsly, what are you expecting us to do with a bunch of Frigs in e.g. a C5?
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#442 - 2014-09-11 20:36:47 UTC
Remove Frigate wormholes.

Reduce random WHs.
Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#443 - 2014-09-12 04:21:08 UTC
LOL A frigate/destroyer gang could take out a carrier ratting in a C5 or Null Sec.... You can also run upto Class 4 wormhole sites or ratting in null sec in frigates with some reps if your into carebearing... Stop complaining and use these new wormholes to your advantage...

Keep up the great work CCP!

Although one thing I would love to see is a T2 Logi Frigate that does about 50% of the reps of a t1 Crusier equivalent.

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Sefem Velox

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Dalron
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#444 - 2014-09-12 05:23:54 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:
LOL A frigate/destroyer gang could take out a carrier ratting in a C5 or Null Sec.... You can also run upto Class 4 wormhole sites or ratting in null sec in frigates with some reps if your into carebearing... Stop complaining and use these new wormholes to your advantage...

Keep up the great work CCP!

Although one thing I would love to see is a T2 Logi Frigate that does about 50% of the reps of a t1 Crusier equivalent.



'A carrier ratting in a C5'

Any carrier in a C5 would

1). Be with a group of other people possibly dreads/support.
2). Have escalated a site and there would be sleepless guardians on the field that will primary/pop your frigates the instant you turn up.

You *might* catch them while rolling the wormhole with a carrier but you could do that anyway.
Jez Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#445 - 2014-09-12 08:23:33 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:
LOL A frigate/destroyer gang could take out a carrier ratting in a C5 or Null Sec.... You can also run up to Class 4 wormhole sites or ratting in null sec in frigates with some reps if your into carebearing... Stop complaining and use these new wormholes to your advantage...

Keep up the great work CCP!

Although one thing I would love to see is a T2 Logi Frigate that does about 50% of the reps of a t1 Crusier equivalent.


As stated above, there are no solo ratting carriers in C5 space, and the sleepers would kill anyone who stayed on field long enough... its called escalations, and you dont yolo in your thanny. In null sec yes u might catch a thanny, but you would still need a fair few frigs and if the cap pilot isnt ******** he will refit and call in friends... So whilst possible, its still better to bring proper DPS to get the kill and GTFO before his mates turn up in cynabals and vagas.

C4 ratting in a frig gang. i can tell you that idea is, mildly entertaining, but still a complete waste of time.

Ratting in null in frigs, still dumb, and a waste of frigs.

Your ability to put together a rational argument for these frig holes is astoundingly bad, and you should probably stick to 4chan.
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#446 - 2014-09-12 08:43:48 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:
LOL A frigate/destroyer gang could take out a carrier ratting in a C5 or Null Sec....

Well.... I did see a goon ratting carrier die to frigs once. However that one was fit with a single large shieldbooster and we had 30 Frigs + a Scimitar.
I highly doubt hat you could brake a Triage carrier in a C5 with your average frig gang.
A triage Archon can easily tank 15k+ dps. Even at 300dps per frig (which seems a bit high to me, but I rarely fly frigs) you would need 50 ships just to break even.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#447 - 2014-09-12 12:59:31 UTC
Frig holes are essentially a new way for bombers to find epithals....
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#448 - 2014-09-12 18:02:20 UTC
The Oceanus blog is out, at least the general one, so I can calm everyone down by saying "Don't worry guys, CCP has decided to do nothing to un-@#$% Hyperion or actually giving us a real wormhole expansion."
Link: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/coming-in-oceanus-on-september-30/
EndersChild
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#449 - 2014-09-12 23:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: EndersChild
Have not read this threadnought

Which ******** decided it was a good idea to include so much information on K162 information boxes? Just keep these ill-conceived small mass holes to say 'Nothing useful can fit through here. Please look elsewhere', or something like that. Main gripe, all other K162's should say nothing about ship size. Honestly guys. Whoever did these info boxes needs stringing up
Rei Moon
Perkone
Caldari State
#450 - 2014-09-13 21:02:50 UTC
Yes i don't like the info boxes.
They crush the immersion. ..
Too easy to identify which system class connects. ...

Down the pole podcast "Annhhh"
Jack Branigan
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#451 - 2014-09-17 13:18:14 UTC
Remember how every time Jerry got spotted by Tom he would just race back to his mouse hole and Tom would end up face planting into a wall? Who wouldn't find that fun! Then Tom would get to sit there staring for hours at a mouse hole waiting for Jerry to pop his head out. Who wouldn't want to do that?!
Choridon Saissore
Doomheim
#452 - 2014-09-20 10:32:27 UTC
Is there any information regarding the stats ( mass / mass limitation / regeneration rat) surrounding the frigate size wormholes published anywhere?

If so can you direct me to it.. & if not when is it comming? :D
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#453 - 2014-09-20 12:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: unimatrix0030
Would having sleeper burner sites make these frig holes more used?

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Rei Moon
Perkone
Caldari State
#454 - 2014-09-21 03:09:30 UTC
How so.
Frigs can jump normal holes any day.

Down the pole podcast "Annhhh"
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#455 - 2014-09-23 19:46:40 UTC
O well, i just though it would help to create frig pve fleets wich frig pvp fleets could kill.
If the sites can only contain frig that would be a viable option.

No local in null sec would fix everything!
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#456 - 2014-09-24 13:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
unimatrix0030 wrote:
O well, i just though it would help to create frig pve fleets wich frig pvp fleets could kill.
If the sites can only contain frig that would be a viable option.



Frigate holes, leading to a new wormhole space would be phenomenal if implemented with the appropriate sites, taking into account permitted ships.Cool

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#457 - 2014-09-24 18:30:05 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
CCP probably thought: "Hey, Frigs are super popular in FW, let's try to replicate FW complexes in wormhole space!"

Well CCP, the reason why those complexes work in FW is because both sides are limited to frigs. Forcing only one side to bring Frigs will not result in any pew.
Srsly, what are you expecting us to do with a bunch of Frigs in e.g. a C5?


Luckily CCP in their great mercy allowed HICs to squeeze through Frigate-wormholes if they have their warp disruption generators active. So bring a shitload of HICs, refit on the other side, wreac havoc with T2-cruiser-sized DPS. Pirate
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#458 - 2014-09-24 19:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Owen Levanth wrote:
Jessica Duranin wrote:
CCP probably thought: "Hey, Frigs are super popular in FW, let's try to replicate FW complexes in wormhole space!"

Well CCP, the reason why those complexes work in FW is because both sides are limited to frigs. Forcing only one side to bring Frigs will not result in any pew.
Srsly, what are you expecting us to do with a bunch of Frigs in e.g. a C5?


Luckily CCP in their great mercy allowed HICs to squeeze through Frigate-wormholes if they have their warp disruption generators active. So bring a shitload of HICs, refit on the other side, wreac havoc with T2-cruiser-sized DPS. Pirate


Or alternatively just use a normal wormhole.
There's enough to keep one scanning all day now, why waste your time scanning down a chain with a frig hole limiting it?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#459 - 2014-09-25 05:19:06 UTC
OK, maybe I shouldnt have said C5/Null, I should have said C4/Null as we have dealt with both those before... ALthough a C5 could still be done with a carrier rolling a wormhole or running a relic (or do those escalate too? Not certain on that one...)

Anyways, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5041536#post5041536 is a good example of the types of fun you can have with the frigate wormholes.

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Sefem Velox

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Newt BlackCompany
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#460 - 2014-09-30 04:22:07 UTC
This change is largely ineffective.

The small holes are somewhat useful if you are scanning down a chain looking for a particular hole, or a particular kind of hole. But, nobody will frigate roam in a wh, because first you have to go scan down a chain - which takes a lot of time. And that's exactly the way it should be. WH space is not just another type of nullsec.

Overall, I'd say that the frig holes are a wash. They can't really be used, except by the scouters, but they don't really cause much problems either and do increase connectivity...

If you were to improve this idea, increase the size limit so that T3 cruisers can roam through them. WH'ers already have and use T3 cruisers extensively, so a roam of them will be reasonable.