Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Re balance went bad.
Ideas how those hulls can be improved?

Better cap, more dps, bit more power grid?
Those ships look grate, but you won't find them on field.
Ideas?

Ever tried oversized ABs on other ships? Their agility is horrible as well.
I tried a 10MN AB on a Venture. Max speed of 2.5k, could barely orbit at 4k with 1.3k m/s

Just use normal sized prop mods, and the agility is decent

Phantasms and Sucubbus are fine ty.

Adding launchers and bonus to missile could be also good salvation for this ship hull.
So we get ship capable to mount 3 lasers or 3 missile launchers.
But i think no one will go this way.


As for "phantasm is fine" - simply: You are wrong.

Benefits of AB :
1 scrambling do not disables your prop module
2 no signature increase

Now lets look on phantasm AB 10 vs MWD 10 T1 Cruiser .
1. Phantasm AB 10 is slower than T1 MWD cruiser , so it can be easily approached , pointed , and webed - Hint : your bonus from AB is almost totally gone.
2. Signature of AB 10 phantasm is still big , as this is shield ship. This T1 Cruiser can easily hit you using med size weapons.

AB 10 is not viable propulsion platform for this ship , it do not give any benefit against MWD 10 T1 cruisers equipped in webs.

Armor phantasm possible , but then again T1 cruisers will out dps you , and still tackle easily.
Current ship hull still don't have any good role , even a niche one.

Remember that AB 100 takes time to accelerate , so granting agility bonus , will not make this ship OP.
You will still be tackled by a ceptor, and range of your guns block you from sniping while at the same time you can be easily sniped by railgun or missile based platforms.

Both ships are fine, stop trying to fit oversized ABs and your problem will be solved. As for them being slower than equivalent ships with MWDs, they make up for it with unscrammability. Also, get snakes

Well when I built my succubus the reality is this vs frigate sized targets.

I'm not catching a MWD target

I'm not kiting a scram/web brawler.



What it excels at, however, it shooting things bigger than it. It's death by 1000 cuts to be fair, but it works exceptionally well for that.

It is extremely squishy with a web though. The rail ships can and will kill you, drone ships will kill you and your DPS is a hair too low for you to plink them down reliably.

I'm disregarding the enemy making piloting errors as one must assume evenly matched pilot ability.

I mean, they're okay but the other pirate ships are a lot better.

the problem i had when comparing the phantasm too the other faction ships/HAC's is mainly summed up by ..

- price
- range
- speed
-dps
- versatility

i basically looked at the ashimmu and thought ..

-price is similar
-dps/range is pretty similar .
-speed is similar mwd vs AB
- ashimmu has ranged webs offers more versatility and options

then ishtar/ VNI offer other more powerful options

bottom line is the AB boesnt make it worth using when
A- i can use an ashimmu too slow targets down and use mwd too keep range
B - if i want too brawl or snipe the ishtar/VNI/T1 bc's are better
C - Omen navy is better in kiting role

perhaps with a tracking buff and a full set of lights it could be used as an anti support/frig killer .. could use a smaller sig radius aswell too take full advantage of the AB .. when shield fitted its too big..

I still think they are fine. A lone Phantasm or Succubus might not be the best but in a fleet they can really come through. I see their sweet spot being around the 8km range where they will outdps blasters thanks to being in optimal range. Yes there are better ships but I can see where they would be better than other vessels. An exanple is when fighting frigs as transversal can be reduced to 0 as the ab speed of the phantasm is similar to the ab speed of most frigs when fighting bogger vessels it is also powerful as it can keep high transversal even at scrambler range. The DPS output is also fine. 550 dps with lasers is not low by any means. Perhaps what it needed waa more mid slots in exchange for lows.