Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Widow == Missiles

Why would you want 2 out of 4 in the same class ship to have missiles? That's just bad design.

Train gunnery or buy a Widow.

cripes!

Do you see CCP or amarr lovers making a ship of each class in each race into laser boats? NO

We don't need more missile boats. In fact, some of the 'new missile' boats (cyclone, etc) need to go back to being gunships.

That would make the ship to strong being able to pick exactly the weapon system it needed to do the job. this may not look like a big problem at first until you remember most blops are docked up untill they jump meaning that any decent pilot would be able to grab the ideal weapon system for the drop.



and with that logic i would need drone bonuses on my redeemer and turret hard points on my widow since i can train amarr using nothing but drones and caldari using nothing but turrets.

Just because a race has a weapon system doesn't mean all of there classes need to use it they are a secondary system for a reason.

Don't really agree with the first bit - you already can refit current black ops a fair bit to customise them to a coming engagement if you wanted so it wouldn't really shift the balance of power that much but you have a point with the rest.

Until lately as I've seen it people tended to train lasers with amarr for the most part anyway and hybrids exclusively with caldari was rarely done amongst the parts of eve I have experience with, training both projectiles and missiles for min was a bit more of a thing and more recent changes made it even more valid to train one or the other and not necessarily both.

Any radical changes would alienate people who have already trained into them and IMO that a very bad thing to do with a game like Eve but either some additional flexibility or the addition of 1-2 extra black ops wouldn't go amiss IMO - maybe a couple of faction variants for people who don't just play the game boring flavor of the month style.

I still think Huggin shoudl be full missiles (like bellicose) and the rapier full guns. But a huggin having 5 of each and a strogner bonus on the lieks of the Scythe FI (but not as big) would be acceptable.


As long as the huggin stop being completely redundant. I also think it can lose 1 high slot then and get 1 extra mid or low.

My widow alts have all of 0 SP in missiles and about 1000 SP in gunnery :S (They only get used for emergency capital bailout). My deemer/sin capable pilot has pretty much maxed gunnery skills though.

The T1 variant does not determine the T2s weapon system as for cruise missiles being far more powerful then AC... your comparing a LR and a SR system, however arty on a BLOPS is much better for hit and run with the higher alpha better applied DPS and instant damnage.

as for the sin and redeemer being far superior at close rang I can give you the redeemer as that is what it is built for if we want full applied DPS but the panther is less susceptible to being neutted and can speed tank well enough to significantly reduce damage for other BBs. so no it wont out brawl a redeemer and is susceptible to webs in close range but if you need some one to pop in blap a target then blink out there isn't much better choice then an arty panther