Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Over 10km/s.

As far as the Corm/Corax goes, I'd maintain they're already fairly balanced. The Corm is faster, applies instant DPS, and can switch ammo to add another 110-140 DPS at the cost of range. This is before considering the Corm can apply damage at over 100km due to it's fall-off, rather than going from Hit to Miss if you stray outside your missile range.

The Corax on the other hand, has better cap life, and an extra mid-slot. It takes the missiles 8-9 seconds to reach their target, and the T1 version is restricted to a single ammo type. A Corax with T2 Launchers will still come out ahead in both Alpha and DPS, but will do so well within the Cormorant's optimal range. Just like it does now.

Anything I missed? Seems pretty fair to me.

i really dont think the skill change on the malediction was warranted, as the nerf to lmls alone is enough.

and for those who say the crow change is a nerf: its not. look at the numbers and you get an extra bonus.

only problem now is you get problems fitting your ship.

OK, so they aren't effective against 0.05% of the ships in the game. Well played sir. Well played.

You can fit the Talwar for sniping as well.

In this case:
Max missile range 94km, dps 163, 1922 m/s.

Note that 1922 m/s is faster than the Sniper Cormorant at 1644 m/s. So the comments about light missile destroyers being slower than turret destroyers has just been invalidated.

Same lock range (109km), slightly more EHP (3.95k vs 3.72k)
Cap stable, vs not cap stable for Cormorant

[Talwar, Longbow]
Overdrive Injector System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
Limited 'Limos' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Edit: wrt Catalyst - The Catalyst's main selling feature is overwhelming dps, not as a sniper ship.
Edit2: Discussions of destroyers is a bit off-topic. I was just trying to offer a reason why tCCP would considering nerfing R.O.F by 6%.

tackle.. it tackles things. Applying 70dps is irrelevent. Rockets kill drones faster while you wait for gang to arrive. Speed tank the bigger weapon system. Sure seems to fit the fleet tackle role.

Just want to point out: if you aren't using T2 or Faction LML, you are getting nerfed even more due to module tiericide.

Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher (Current)
-Capacity: 0.72 m3
-Rate of Fire: 12 s
-Heat Damage: 3 HP
-CPU Useage: 17 tf

Ample Light Missile Launcher (Oceanus)
-Capacity: 0.66 m3
-Rate of Fire: 13.6 s
-Heat Damage: 3.4 HP
-CPU Useage: 21 tf

Compact Light Missile Launcher (Oceanus)
-Capacity: 0.63 m3
-Rate of Fire: 13.6 s
-Heat Damage: 3.4 HP
-CPU Useage: 16 tf

SiSi

Caracal should be safe for now as, unless I'm grossly mistaken and something terrible happened to them last I paid attention, they use rapid lights, which have escaped this round of meta murder.

you can get over 200dps before heat with current raptor. Think thats plenty. Plus caldari blaster boats are more optimal bonused than gal, which are damage/tracking based. with raptor changes i can still get over 200dps, now it will have a web <3

wow. way to kick the crow in the face....

its fine the way it is. the damage bonus to missiles actually means they can fight... and explosion radius does NOTHING as compensation. its useless. and loosing a low slow for another missile high slot? what the heck good is that? fitting a crow is already tough enough, especially having to use a low for a power or cpu mod or even both. now we lose one of those, in favor of a slot that requires even more pg/cpu? how does that make any kind of sense?

if the concern of crows is that they are able to put out too much damage from long range, (wich honestly is where ALL ceptors should be working at, is the 20-30km range) then address that concern directly, by simply removing or reducing the damage modifer. but killing the ability to even FIT a long range weapon setup makes zero sense. an intie up close is a webbed, scrammed and DEAD intie. it needs to be able to maintain its distance, tackle at that distance, and force larger ships to counter with either drones, stabs, or thier own intie support.

if the issue is light missiles, (and the crow and mael use these) - then perhaps adjusting the damae / rof on the LML/RLML is the way to go, then apply a bonus to LML systems to ships that need it the way it is now, so ships like the kessy, would gain a bonus to lml rof/damage, to counter the nerfing. but ceptors would not get that bonus.

please rethink the changes, - else i fear ceptors will become a thing of the past, and tatical combat will turn into nothing but everyone just rushing and fighting at 0. i dont play eve for slugfests. i enjoy the tatical and strategic element. any low IQ dummy can tank up and brawl at 0. reward those who use tatics and can fight at a distance to counter those aforementioned close range dummies.