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CCP accidentally half of the logged in players

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RenoIdo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-09-24 04:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: RenoIdo
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374966&find=unread

Take a look at this post. CCP has admitted it is their problem, not our ISP's. From what I understand thousands of players are having disconnects every single day for 2 months. The game has been and is unplayable for solo pvpers.

No, that's not what CCP said at all.
DDoS attacks are not CCP's servers fault.

Like I said, learn to internet, actually learn how this stuff works.


I think you need to learn to internet rather than just forum troll and defend CCP blindly. There are ways for them to prevent DDOS attacks on their servers, almost every online service has these problems and can fix them. Why would a dev post that they are working on this issue if it is unavoidable? They are simply not blocking these attacks fast enough and not taking their customers subscriptions seriously. I have been playing since 2010 and after 7+ weeks of disconnects everyday I likely wont be next month. From the other players I have talked to I doubt I'm the only one.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#22 - 2014-09-24 05:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Obsidian Hawk
RenoIdo wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374966&find=unread

Take a look at this post. CCP has admitted it is their problem, not our ISP's. From what I understand thousands of players are having disconnects every single day for 2 months. The game has been and is unplayable for solo pvpers.

No, that's not what CCP said at all.
DDoS attacks are not CCP's servers fault.

Like I said, learn to internet, actually learn how this stuff works.


I think you need to learn to internet rather than just forum troll and defend CCP blindly. There are ways for them to prevent DDOS attacks on their servers, almost every online service has these problems and can fix them. Why would a dev post that they are working on this issue if it is unavoidable? They are simply not blocking these attacks fast enough and not taking their customers subscriptions seriously. I have been playing since 2010 and after 7+ weeks of disconnects everyday I likely wont be next month. From the other players I have talked to I doubt I'm the only one.



There is no easy way to prevent DDOS attacks. If Blizzard can't defend against DDOS attacks what makes you think CCP can? I remember when Blizzard got DDOS'd and all of their servers in EU, Oceana and US were down all at the same time because of DDOS. You just can't do it easily especially since it seems to be a large scale attack.


Also if you think you can do better, im sure CCP is more than willing to hire you for your skills!

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

RenoIdo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-09-24 05:53:46 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374966&find=unread

Take a look at this post. CCP has admitted it is their problem, not our ISP's. From what I understand thousands of players are having disconnects every single day for 2 months. The game has been and is unplayable for solo pvpers.

No, that's not what CCP said at all.
DDoS attacks are not CCP's servers fault.

Like I said, learn to internet, actually learn how this stuff works.


I think you need to learn to internet rather than just forum troll and defend CCP blindly. There are ways for them to prevent DDOS attacks on their servers, almost every online service has these problems and can fix them. Why would a dev post that they are working on this issue if it is unavoidable? They are simply not blocking these attacks fast enough and not taking their customers subscriptions seriously. I have been playing since 2010 and after 7+ weeks of disconnects everyday I likely wont be next month. From the other players I have talked to I doubt I'm the only one.



There is no easy way to prevent DDOS attacks. If Blizzard can't defend against DDOS attacks what makes you think CCP can? I remember when Blizzard got DDOS'd and all of their servers in EU, Oceana and US were down all at the same time because of DDOS. You just can't do it easily especially since it seems to be a large scale attack.


Also if you think you can do better, im sure CCP is more than willing to hire you for your skills!


The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-09-24 05:55:25 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:


The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.


Then go play those. We really won't miss you. Kthxbai.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

RenoIdo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-09-24 05:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: RenoIdo
Remiel Pollard wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:


The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.


Then go play those. We really won't miss you. Kthxbai.


Hard to take someone who plays the forums more than the game seriously. That's a pretty sad killboard you have.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-09-24 05:59:11 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:


The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.


Then go play those. We really won't miss you. Kthxbai.


Hard to take someone who plays the forums more than the game seriously.


Oh, you've personally logged my game vs forum time have you? Stalker.

Hard to take someone who claims to be a PVP'er but has no killboard seriously too.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#27 - 2014-09-24 06:01:50 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:

The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.



I have played wow on and off since Burning crusade was release. Not ONCE have they ever issued compensation. In fact in their EULA they even say they make no guarantee's that their servers will operate 100% of the time. And if they go down during a raid you pretty much just have to deal with it.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2014-09-24 06:05:16 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:


The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.


Then go play those. We really won't miss you. Kthxbai.


Hard to take someone who plays the forums more than the game seriously. That's a pretty sad killboard you have.


Then let me tell you to go play another game, nobody can stop a DDoS. There has been internet issues all over the place not just with EVE for the last few months.
Morcutio
Shellworld Technologies
#29 - 2014-09-24 06:18:12 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374966&find=unread

Take a look at this post. CCP has admitted it is their problem, not our ISP's. From what I understand thousands of players are having disconnects every single day for 2 months. The game has been and is unplayable for solo pvpers.

No, that's not what CCP said at all.
DDoS attacks are not CCP's servers fault.

Like I said, learn to internet, actually learn how this stuff works.


I think you need to learn to internet rather than just forum troll and defend CCP blindly. There are ways for them to prevent DDOS attacks on their servers, almost every online service has these problems and can fix them. Why would a dev post that they are working on this issue if it is unavoidable? They are simply not blocking these attacks fast enough and not taking their customers subscriptions seriously. I have been playing since 2010 and after 7+ weeks of disconnects everyday I likely wont be next month. From the other players I have talked to I doubt I'm the only one.



There is no easy way to prevent DDOS attacks. If Blizzard can't defend against DDOS attacks what makes you think CCP can? I remember when Blizzard got DDOS'd and all of their servers in EU, Oceana and US were down all at the same time because of DDOS. You just can't do it easily especially since it seems to be a large scale attack.


Also if you think you can do better, im sure CCP is more than willing to hire you for your skills!


The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.


Meh. I'm new, so I'll plead ignorance and take the hit:

Blizzard *is* having similar problems right now. Not quite as regular as every day, but several times a week. Their forums contain similar sentiments. Wow and hearthstone have both been affected (that I know of personally) and I believe that it's been affecting their other titles as well.

LOTS of other gaming companies have been having similar issues recently. DDoS is the new black. (Which is funny, because this is really soooooo 15 years ago, but whatever, get off my lawn.)

DDoS attacks aren't easy to solve. Truly effective solutions are very expensive. Expensive solutions wreck business models.
Dave Stark
#30 - 2014-09-24 07:58:53 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:
[The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.


probably because neither game is worth playing for anywhere near 2 months.
Ilyana Nehla
Caldari Supply and Armament Inc.
#31 - 2014-09-24 08:20:15 UTC
I'm curious if a captcha would actually help. Without a captcha you can not log in and as such the DDoS needs to "solve" the captcha. The Captcha should then be evaluated on a different server. I am not into DDoS tbh, I am a developer yes, but never bothered with DDoS's . SAP rarely have this :D
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-09-24 08:32:50 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374966&find=unread

Take a look at this post. CCP has admitted it is their problem, not our ISP's. From what I understand thousands of players are having disconnects every single day for 2 months. The game has been and is unplayable for solo pvpers.

No, that's not what CCP said at all.
DDoS attacks are not CCP's servers fault.

Like I said, learn to internet, actually learn how this stuff works.


I think you need to learn to internet rather than just forum troll and defend CCP blindly. There are ways for them to prevent DDOS attacks on their servers, almost every online service has these problems and can fix them. Why would a dev post that they are working on this issue if it is unavoidable? They are simply not blocking these attacks fast enough and not taking their customers subscriptions seriously. I have been playing since 2010 and after 7+ weeks of disconnects everyday I likely wont be next month. From the other players I have talked to I doubt I'm the only one.


If you can prevent any and all DDoS attacks towards one small server cluster 100% of the time, you will become one of the richest men on this planet.

Why don't you go and implement those changes and come back in a week to report how they worked?

Here's the basic idea on what happens: Networking equipment have ports for handling traffic. Those ports have a certain throughput in number of connections or in gbps, whichever caps first. If there is an excessive amount of connections, the device cna try to start filtering out known attack vectors or connections in a protocol which is not used by the service in question. This works up until the limit is reached and then there are 2 default states the port can drop to: drop-all or allow-all.

Dropping traffic means that even the good traffic is discarded and not forwarded but it'll cut off the pressure on the whole network. At the same time a load balancer will start to utilize other ports for good traffic and in an ideal situation you'd have a 1-2sec hiccup. In some cases that hiccup is shown as a lag spike, other times you might get booted off the server. This is the price you have to pay for having a somewhat clean connection.

Allowing all traffic would actually cause even more problems as the resilient border devices would let everything through to the way more fragile routers and servers which are designed for a certain load which is fraction of what border devices are designed for.

What you need to do to stop DDoS is to cut the source of the attack; infected machines, botnets and all those ghetto-setups with 1500 cellphones with one-time use 3G sim cards. Either you have to become a psychic to see which devices will become malicious to your network before they do and block them magically with a neural interface which can fill filtering tables with the power of your mind OR you disallow people from using the internet in the whole world.

If this is too high tech for you, here's a tl;dr:

Internet is not a series of tubes which gets clogged up with racing horses and porn, it's more complicated.
Infrequent
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-09-24 08:46:17 UTC
RenoIdo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
RenoIdo wrote:


The thing is Blizzard will issue compensation for services they can't provide properly. They will also hire new employee's to solve the problems. I have never heard of any connectivity issues in wow or d3 that have persisted for 2 months like this has.


Then go play those. We really won't miss you. Kthxbai.


Hard to take someone who plays the forums more than the game seriously. That's a pretty sad killboard you have.


We all know your statement has fallen flat on it's face, no need to stack up yet more invalid statements. Stop embarrassing yourself. You know you have nothing going for you when you backpedal so hard you resort to killboard warrioring. PROTIP: Not everyone PvPs.

Dealing with DDoS is no easy task, whatever it is CCP are doing to deal with it, we wont know of until the dust settles and that's if there's anything that can be done.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#34 - 2014-09-24 10:05:14 UTC
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