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Age old question: Selling ore vs. Reprocessing

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Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#21 - 2014-09-24 03:33:18 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
Before the last expansion it was never a question. You always refined.

Now you need to look at compressed ore prices and determine if it is better to refine or to compress. Minerals will either stay in highsec or compressed ores will be moved to nullsec. I haven't looked at prices for a while now but I would be very surprised if compressed veldspar did not sell at a higher price then the refined trit. Because trit is always in high demand for capital production I would be surprised if the demand for trit hasn't decreased but the demand for compressed ores being in higher demand.


The demand for Trit has indeed dropped. From 20 to 30 billion units per day, to 10ish. The price has also fallen. On the other hand, Ore prices have risen. So the tables which don't also display the ore prices (I need to update mine) aren't showing the whole picture.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=34&regionid=10000002

(copy and paste. it doesn't work right otherwise)


Edit: B for billion.


The price of Tritanium obviously had to fall after the launch of Crius due to all the speculation & worry over the future of industry. No doubt many people made a pretty penny out of the price rise. The price of Tritanium is still good now and there still a healthy demand for it. 25.6 million ISK per hour for mining Veldspar isn't bad for a days work. Someone else mentioned Scordite but at a bit over 19 million ISK per hour that isn't as good atm.

I had a bit of a look at the prices for compressed ore and they are a bit high atm even allowing for additional reasonable charges on top of mineral value. This is obviously due to supply & demand - everyone wants to wear the new dress in the window. Smile



The demand for compressed ore isn't being met by the supply Smile The demand comes from people who are manufacturing things out in nullsec/lowsec, and need vast quantities of Trit. It used to be that they used 425mm Railgun Is to move it, so they could just buy the trit and manufacture. Now, if ore is refined, it's impossible to compress the results. Takes a lot of Trit to build a Dread, let alone a titan.


I run a little spreadsheet that approximately works out how much trit..etc is leaving Jita/The Forge as compressed ore (for low/null). It was impossible to work this out before the demand became transparent with crius.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GDhdcnsn77obnG1SFHNR4SeQoeDZVxCt5hDZFMvLvNE/edit?usp=sharing

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#22 - 2014-09-25 16:38:31 UTC
the best way to sell ore currently is selling compressed ore rather than refining. A small tower can run a compression array, and several hardeners, but if you like you can just stock up ore in your home station until you get a couple freighter loads, then online the tower, do your compression, then offline it again.

I have actually been making so much isk off just buying raw ore, compressing it, and selling it, that I just leave my tower up. the fuel cost is nothing compared to what I am making.

Another advantage is a full max cargo freighter, over 1,000,000m3 of ore, for most ores compresses small enough to fit in a jump freighter. A freighter load of compressed ore is equal to about 60 loads of uncompressed
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-09-25 16:45:33 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Another advantage is a full max cargo freighter, over 1,000,000m3 of ore, for most ores compresses small enough to fit in a jump freighter. A freighter load of compressed ore is equal to about 60 loads of uncompressed


I would not recommend shipping a full load of compressed ore in a freighter, unless you want to be paid a visit by some unsavory people Bear
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