Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The E-Uni fits listed above are cookie cutter builds designed to allow new players to get a grip on the role of fleet interceptor. Read the text above the fits in the Interceptor guide, the part where it explains offensive use of the scram is for more experienced pilots only The remaining two fits only have three mids, and are shield tanked (again, to simplify the fits and offer some standardisation) so they lack a scram.

I don't recall this being a thread about how to fly interceptors. It's a thread about changes that do the following:

MWD + MSE + Disruptor + Scram Crow, CN Scourge LM (Current) - 3.4k EHP - 4725m/s - 71.1 DPS @ 63.3km (40.6km lock range) - 2.68s align

MWD + MSE + Disruptor + Scram Crow, CN Scourge LM (Oceanus) - 3.5k EHP - 4111m/s - 59.7 DPS @ 63.3km (40.6km lock range) - 3.1s align

MWD + MSE + Sebo + TP Crow, CN Scourge LM (Current) - 3.56k EHP - 4370m/s - 95 DPS @ 63.3km (65km lock range) - 3.1s align

MWD + MSE + Sebo + TP Crow, CN Scourge LM (Oceanus)- 3.65k EHP - 3964m/s - 73 DPS @ 63.3km (65km lock range) - 3.4s align

Explain to me how this negates the imbalance of the Crow's ability to apply damage at long ranges. It doesn't. If anything, it remains the same, having gained the ability to switch damage types with no loss of DPS, and apply its damage more efficiently.

A standard fleet fit Crow on the other hand, which already had its engagement range capped at 40km, loses significant chunks of speed and agility, as well as a similar reduction in DPS (which was already a lot lower to begin with.) Couple this with the fact they're virtually impossible to fit, requiring a low slot and both rigs, something the updated Sniper Crow does not have to deal with.

Once again, the range bonus is the issue, not the damage. As far as rockets go, there simply isn't enough incentive to switch from light missiles. You gain roughly 23% DPS and lose 75% of your range. This comes with an increase in speed and agility that puts you just below the first fit in my list (4442m/s, 2.7s align).

Previously I advocated limiting the damage bonus to rockets only, I was close. Restrict the range bonus to rockets, leave the damage bonus as is. This leaves Sniper Crows unable to reach their previously insane ranges without using both rig slots (which would give them 54km range.) In turn, this prevents them from fitting a tank without further sacrificing speed, agility, or DPS as both low slots are now required to fit a MSE.

[Crow,Would you fly this? Because I wouldn't (Current damage bonus, no range bonus)] - 3.6k EHP - 3757m/s - 71.1 DPS @ 54.8km (65km lock range) - 3.7s align
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

I actually really like this suggestion and it's too bad it got lost in the noise. Quote for visibility!

I've hinted this before in this thread...

The malediction bonus changes to only apply to rockets, and the range nerf, are made specifialy to stop people from going down to dekelin in malediction fleets and kill rating ships.

Here is the a link for zkillboard of all the Heavy Assault Crusiers killed by Maledictions in Dekelin.
https://zkillboard.com/ship/11186/group/358/region/10000035/

The isthar is probaly the most used ratting ship in dekelin.

The crow doesn't get the same treatment because rating ships in dekelin are tanked for kinetic damage and the isthar already has high base resists for kinetic.

I would like to know the reasoning behind these changes... saying "Crow and Malediction (which are a bit too good in their light missile configurations currently)" to justify this nerf doesn't cut it... these change are not a "bit".

jesus christ how did i miss this

https://zkillboard.com/character/331608676/topalltime/
oh ok now it makes sense, basically no experience flying interceptors, riding the crow wave

come back when you get good son

god damn my sides

Have you ever heard of defensive scram? Good garmur pilots use them in place of sebos/web (bad garmur fits). Intys get range bonus as well, so in theory could be used to prevent people landing scrams on intys. Also having a scram available to shutdown MJD fits is valid as well.

This nerf is stupid. I don't see the point of it?:

Rate of fire isn't going to stop fleets of LML ships being able to produce high volley damage so you are still going to get fleets of these things, so who is this nerf for? Solo play nerf?

The only real issue with light missile launchers is the long range on a weapon, even at T1.


Plated interceptors (Malediction) is possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard, please go fit a 200mm on one and try it for yourself I doubt any minor buff will make up for putting a plate on a ceptor.

Also you are aware how much damage a rocket malediction does right? Why the hell are you going to want to go within 10kms of any ship to use rockets in a Malediction?


I was really hoping for more from ceptors. I also wish that rockets where a useful weapon system

Please go figure out what role you want for each interceptor for each race and ensure it can actually fulfil it before you start claiming the interceptor is fixed/ updated.

'They are all specialised fast frigates, that can warp in bubbles and use racial weapons.' Sorry it just doesn't cut it.

rockets are garbage

Still waiting to see some rationale behind the resumed swinging of the nerfbat....
I did some quick looking so I could be mistaken, but it looks like the base RoF for LML's will be nearly twice that of any comparable long range, light weapon system. T1 75mm rails will fire at a base RoF of 3sec, Small T1 Beams seem to fire every 3.2sec, and even light arty will fire every 8.5sec compared to the 15.9 second base RoF of the Oceanus LML's.
Without digging into a long, drawn out post, I have to wonder why the, already slow, RoF of LML's was deemed still too fast and in need of a 6% nerf to every ship using them.

mediocre imo

We're about less than a week till release, whats going on with modules and further explanation on LML nerf? Seems kind of odd to wait a few days before release to give the player base information on what could potentially be a lot of module changes.