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Where's the pirates?

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#141 - 2014-09-23 01:37:10 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
then its not a chance, its a certainty.
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
There is no chance, probability, or variability at the values of 100% or 0%. A variable of 100% or 0% is no longer a probability, but a certainty.

A probability stops being a probability if it reaches 1?

Interesting.


100% is not a probability, it is a certainty. (same goes for 0% as the other poster was kind enough to point out)

code pilots do not risk their catalysts in a gank, because the loss is a certainty, therefore they sacrifice their catalysts (ie, its a cost of doing business). they only risk *premature* catalyst detonation (killed on gate in transit to target), and its a risk because the chance of it happening is never 100% or 0%.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#142 - 2014-09-23 01:39:07 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
[quote=Crumplecorn]code pilots do not risk their catalysts in a gank
So there's no risk to the catalyst in a gank? I think the catalyst would beg to differ.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#143 - 2014-09-23 01:39:11 UTC
probability and chance are not the same thing....

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#144 - 2014-09-23 01:40:50 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
probability and chance are not the same thing....
So something can have a chance of happening but no probability of happening, and vice versa?

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#145 - 2014-09-23 01:40:52 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
[quote=Crumplecorn]code pilots do not risk their catalysts in a gank
So there's no risk to the catalyst in a gank? I think the catalyst would beg to differ.


you should maybe read my entire statement, instead of quoting half of a sentence.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#146 - 2014-09-23 01:43:34 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
you should maybe read my entire statement, instead of quoting half of a sentence.
But the rest of the statement is about certainties, not risks, which are different things, according to you, so it'as irrelevant anyway.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#147 - 2014-09-23 01:45:28 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
probability and chance are not the same thing....
So something can have a chance of happening but no probability of happening, and vice versa?


no.

but your word games do not change the fact that probability and chance are different things and 100 and 0 percent odds are certainties, not chances.

this was already explained to you. you are choosing to be obtuse because you hatebei g wrong. im done here.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#148 - 2014-09-23 01:49:47 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
but your word games do not change the fact that probability and chance are different things and 100 and 0 percent odds are certainties, not chances.
I'm not the one playing word games. You're the one saying that when a number goes from 0.999999999 to 1 it is now a completely different thing which requires a different name.

Xuixien wrote:
you are choosing to be obtuse
Is it certain that I'm being obtuse, or is there just a risk of it?

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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#149 - 2014-09-23 01:52:26 UTC
Piracy died a long time ago in eve. The three biggest changes that destroyed pirating as a profession were Faction Warfare, the great tech 2 buff/nerf and the rising access to isk. Ships are now cheaper both in module cost and hull costs, the isk flows relatively freely and if you want a roam/gank funzone then faction warfare is the place to go for consistency, save for the occasional annoying farmer. Add to that that the risk/reward balance in low is way out of place along with hefty sec hits that are harder to reverse due to tag costs and the nerfs to rate of sec gain. Instead you have lowsec corps, sometimes pirates and eve pirates who have gone either weekend warrior or faction warfare - if they still play at all. The ones who stay are the ones who are breaking even often enough or are RPers.
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2014-09-23 02:02:44 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:

A probability stops being a probability if it reaches 1?

Interesting.


Correct.
"1prob·a·ble adjective \ˈprä-bə-bəl, ˈprä(b)-bəl\
: likely to happen or to be true but not certain"
citation
"prob·a·bil·i·ty noun \ˌprä-bə-ˈbi-lə-tē\
: the chance that something will happen

: something that has a chance of happening

: a measure of how often a particular event will happen if something (such as tossing a coin) is done repeatedly"
citation

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#151 - 2014-09-23 02:13:12 UTC
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
"prob·a·bil·i·ty noun \ˌprä-bə-ˈbi-lə-tē\
: the chance that something will happen

: something that has a chance of happening

: a measure of how often a particular event will happen if something (such as tossing a coin) is done repeatedly"
citation
The chance of something happening can be 100%. In fact, you'd have to know the chance to know that it is certain.

Something either has a chance of happening or not - By a process of elimination, something that is certain has a chance of happening.

If you measure how often an event occurs, the result can be 100%.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2014-09-23 02:16:49 UTC
This is just rhetoric now. What's the actual point? Risk vs certain doom?

If that's the point, then everyone who undocks accepts the risk of losing their ship and in so doing, is accepting the certainty that they are going to lose a ship, whether it is a certainty or not. I undock fully expecting to lose what I'm in all the time, regardless of the odds, because that's EVE.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#153 - 2014-09-23 02:23:17 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
This is just rhetoric now. What's the actual point?
The point is that I essentially called CODE the bravest PvPers in the game and got 10 posts debating the sematics of loss-averse vs risk-averse, and 0 contradticting the substance of the post. Therefore CODE always wins.

And I'm actually done with this little argument now too, while I am right (as it happens I'm typing probabilities into a model in another window, and they do not transmogrify into something else if I type in 1 or 0) and it has been amusing, I feel bad if I maintain this level of shiptoasting for too long.

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#154 - 2014-09-23 02:39:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Crumplecorn wrote:
And I'm actually done with this little argument now too, while I am right (as it happens I'm typing probabilities into a model in another window, and they do not transmogrify into something else if I type in 1 or 0) and it has been amusing, I feel bad if I maintain this level of shiptoasting for too long.
I think it's probably best if you turn your head sideways when next you walk through a door...
Crumplecorn wrote:
Something either has a chance of happening or not - By a process of elimination, something that is certain has a chance of happening.
I think you will find that's called a certainty...Roll

Also, who necro'd the thread Shocked

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#155 - 2014-09-23 03:43:13 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
There's been a major attitude shift in the last few years from "Yarrrrr" and singing ransoms to "this is cyberbullying, harassment and griefing". So... there are no pirates left. Just griefers, gankers and 'sociopaths'. Which is a real shame.


Yep. I remember CCP's marketing campaign with the slogan "Be the Villain". These days, if you're a villain, you are banned.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#156 - 2014-09-23 04:59:33 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
I think it's probably best if you turn your head sideways when next you walk through a door...
:|

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#157 - 2014-09-23 05:06:41 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
This is just rhetoric now. What's the actual point?
The point is that I essentially called CODE the bravest PvPers in the game and got 10 posts debating the sematics of loss-averse vs risk-averse, and 0 contradticting the substance of the post. Therefore CODE always wins.

And I'm actually done with this little argument now too, while I am right (as it happens I'm typing probabilities into a model in another window, and they do not transmogrify into something else if I type in 1 or 0) and it has been amusing, I feel bad if I maintain this level of shiptoasting for too long.


Code are not the bravest PVPers....satisfied?
They take no risk when it comes to assets. The assets (gank ships) are calculated loss and already written off.

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Solecist Project
#158 - 2014-09-23 05:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Yeah, no.

When people hide in station absolutely most of the time,
even if some would rather actually play outside instead of waiting for a scout to find a target ...
... and then have to spend GCC inside the station again because the incompetent FC says so ....

... then one can not use the word "brave" and "CODE" in the same line.


Thank you, Evora Pirkibo,
for being so incredibly mindless and automatic,
that you could not resist bringing this thread up again.

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Naburi NasNaburi
Doomheim
#159 - 2014-09-23 05:58:52 UTC
I miss the old days.

When a n00b miner in lowsec wasnt able to pay the ransom (based on his ship I told him 1 mil) .. I made him mine Kernite for me - into a can.

When the can was full - I let him go.

Now? People laugh at you and tell you to shoot them and go f**k yourself.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#160 - 2014-09-23 06:01:56 UTC
Naburi NasNaburi wrote:
I miss the old days.

When a n00b miner in lowsec wasnt able to pay the ransom (based on his ship I told him 1 mil) .. I made him mine Kernite for me - into a can.

When the can was full - I let him go.

Now? People laugh at you and tell you to shoot them and go f**k yourself.

So sexy ............. *sighs* .........................

Hallo Nase. ^_^
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