Intergalactic Summit

Maya, I've been to the Gallente Federation, the Caldari State, and the Amarr Empire. What you are saying sounds more like some horror story holoreel than the real Caldari State. While people suffer in the Federation, I know that Kaalakiota personally cares for all of it's employees with the highest standards. I have never met a Caldari who did not show great pride in his people, his government, and his corporation. I find them pleasing company, far better than that of any Amarr.

On the other side of the coin, my time in the Gallente Federation, as part of an officer exchange program with the Royal Khanid Navy, was filled with seeing people be backstabbed for stepping on the "freedoms" of others. Honor does not exist in the Federation, nor do I think it ever will. Your's is an arrogant and self-serving people who rarely take the time to look past their sensationalist news stories, and egregious holoreels. You have made a mockery of every other nation in New Eden, yet believe your own stereotypes of them are the truth, and yet, you fit the "stereotype" of an average Gallente citizen to the letter. What's wrong Maya, did mommy and daddy stifle your freedom growing up and now this is how you get back at them? Or are you just another puppet of the Nationalist Party spewing more racist propaganda, and giving other Gallente a bad name.

Im lawman , sheriff Caldari territories. And i have to say that most members of Minmatar race ive come acrross so far have been criminals of the worst kind. Thieves and murderers.

The latest such criminal to pass through my territory MiltisUmbrae wanted for theft and attemtped murder.

TH

Well said.

I was going to ask if you wished to someday share a cup of tea, but, somehow, I doubt it would make you any less stupid.

Yes. Yes you are. Prefacing your racists statements with this disingenuous qualifier does not cancel out the offensiveness of those statements. It merely shows you to try to use weasel words to get away with saying hateful things.


"Caldari Region"?

Are you unaware that the entirety of Caldari sovereignty consists of several regions? How is it you patrol the entirety of Caldari space? Surely you'd only be able to get through a few constellations in a single cycle.


Among many militia pilots its a well-known fact that piracy is rampant throughout all of the militias. Its a widespread problem, and not really one that most militia pilots can really address without shooting their own militia members, which carries with it its own host of problems. Its not as though the militias really have any barriers to entry or standards of conduct.


Welcome to space. It only goes downhill from here.

Sums it up.

I don't believe that being hostile means that I am being irrational. In fact, I'd say that it would be irrational to not be hostile to an evil form of government that takes advantage of it's own citizens, something that many of the appeasement hungry Doves that coat our political stage are quick to forget.



I don't think I quite understand. Are you claiming that the things I have stated don't happen? You're deluded if so, because I'm simply speaking from the facts. The State has no form of social security. If you're dimissed from your corporation for whatever reason, you are almost certainly not going to find employment elsewhere - That's statistical fact. If this happens, and you cannot afford to pay for food or healthcare, the State will do nothing to help you. Again, fact. Further, it's well known that the State ostracizes many social groups, for example, people with nonstandard sexual orientations. And that it does nothing to support the physically and mentally disabled, and instead forces the burden onto their families.

I'm sorry if this paticular aspect of your beloved nation upsets you, but that doesn't make it any less real. The State itself is hostile and uncaring to it's people.



If you want to see a true meritocracy, look at the Federation. There, an individual can aspire to be anything they wish to, while still afforded basic humane treatment and protections from abuse by their employers, and are judged on a personal basis rather then for their family. And should you make a mistake, you can still recover and start again with something new. Sort of the same as the your own government, except humane.

The State, on the other hand, is little more then a facist corporate dictatorship, where those at the bottom are often forced to "Take one for the team" so that the people on top can keep living in luxury. A fact that Heth, for all his posturing, has been unable to change.



You're not even bothering to form an arguement anymore. The ideals of the State are not "needed". The Federation continues to expand and prosper - and repel you - in spite of being "Self-absorbed." The people are free to live the lives they wish and express their individuality, and have their basic rights protected. You're not pointing out virtues of your way of life, simply saying "We exist, and we demand respect!"

Simply because the State exists does not mean that it deserves to. It is an underdeveloped society that is harmful to it's own citizens, and if left alone, it will continue to expand and subject countless more people to it's abusive form of government - people who did not get a choice to be born elsewhere. And myself, and many of my countrymen, are not willing to see that happen.

It's in the same vein as ending slavery.

By the way, if you don't want me to tell you what your cultures ideals are, I would suggest you start you start by doing the same.



Petty anti-feminist insults from an Achura. Cute. I expect no less from the State. Do you hate your own culture as much as your gender? Certainly a shame, since it was far more developed then the Caldari's before they swallowed you up.

And Mister Triton, when you said "I have never met a Caldari who did not show great pride in his people, his government, and his corporation." I saw nothing but "In his corporation."

I'm not even going to bother addressing the rest of your post, since it quickly devolves into name-calling and anecdotes.

So we drone on...wonderful.

I did not state it meant you were being irrational, I stated that it throws into question your ability to be rational. Words spoken in anger and hostility are rarely rational and often hypocritical.



You misunderstand the State here. The "burden being thrown onto the family" is a part of our culture that emphasizes the family caring for itself. It is an extension of the merit we speak of. A family will see to the care of its members out of duty, honor and compassion for its own. It is not a "screw you, get out of here" from the State. It is a response of the family from a dedicated sense of duty and honor.




Again, you misunderstand the establishment entirely. A meritocracy is a society that elevates an individual based on their lone merit and dedication. This means that all are free to perform to their best ability, contributing in whatever way they choose to the society as a whole and their advancement and recognition will be based upon their accomplishment and achievement, also known as their merit. The difference is that the Caldari believe an individual becomes stronger and better for the struggles and that the dedicated drive to excel pushes us to become our best.

The Federation, adversely, extends a helping hand and support crutches to help an individual exceed. While this is not inherently a bad thing, it is not a meritocracy. So I apologize, but I will be discounting everything you said here entirely.

I will state, however, that advancement and placement based on family and birth is an aristocracy not a meritocracy and not at all how things function in the State. That's your third strike.



The Federation continues to expand and prosper, perhaps. It does not do so to "repel the State" however, it was doing so long before the State declared its separation from it. I have pointed out the virtues of the Caldari way of life, at least twice now, but you have chosen to attack them and ignore them instead of consider them. You are testing my patience with explaining them to you.

As to your second paragraph, you continue to degrade the Caldari culture and claim your own superiority over it while continually misunderstanding the very core aspects of the Caldari culture. Furthermore the State broke away from the expansion, abuse and oppression of the Federation, not the reverse. Your "countrymen" believe that everyone has to live the same way you do while the Caldari simply want to live their own way, without you telling us how.

The least you could do is try argue the facts, not your perception of them.

Furthermore, I do not ignore that negative things occur in the State, they do in all societies. I merely have stated, time and again, that you misunderstand completely the culture of the Caldari.

As for telling you your own culture's ideals? I didn't. I simply referenced you to others in your culture and their examples.




Wait for it....



Words spoken in hostility are rarely rational....often hypocritical. (See above)

Yes, forgive me Oniseki-haani.

I truly have no doubt over your alliance and corporation. My words are meant to illustrate to Orkut how he represents them and can do harm to them by careless words. The rest of my words are meant entirely for him, not your alliance as a whole.

I should make that distinction clear.

EDIT: I have correct my original post to be more clear. Forgive me.

I fully acknowledge that you may not like Heth, but you did say that Heth 'restored the State to a meritocracy', I supposed that he did, in fact, not. This is backed by his hypocrisy in attempting to lead the State with few of his own 'merits' to do so, and by his interference in what should have been a 'merit' based approach to the appointment of a new CEO. Therefore the State is not as led by merit as people have claimed.

If you truly believe that expressing an about the State is 'traitorous', perhaps you should examine your own claims about being ambivalent towards the current regime.

It should also be noted the Ishuk-Raata is an Ishukone subsidiary, not a State subsidiary. We fight to defend Ishukone personnel and interests. I cannot speak for others in the alliance but the jingoistic notion that we are traitors for not subsuming ourselves into Heth's new definition of the 'Caldari State' is not one I subscribe to.




Are you kidding me? The reason a aggressive war of occupation is being fought is because of capsuleer alliances like I-RED? Really? I must have missed the bit where Taisho Revenent ordered the invasion of Federal space.

The State may be at war, but that doesn't make it a just war.