Wormholes

Thanks for all the hard work Corbexx. The numbers are interesting, especially the C1/C2 comparison and the C3/C4 delta.

I am a C4 resident and am concerned that the C4 numbers in isolation paint a very different picture to what is seen "on the ground" as it were. C1-C3 sites can be run effectively in a Drake solo - though clearly not at the speed you were doing in your testing. Class 4 sites require multiple pilots / accounts to run

The non-escalationnumbers were in corbexx´s blog iirc and were rather unimpressive. Another benfit of small farmercorps that can run their homeescalations every day for a bit, while more active groups have to rely on mehish staticfarming. Ofc the new marauders changed that a bit but they also are rather highrisk.

Do not forget that this list is just a small representive part of wh-ratting. You will get better results with more optimal shipchoices (legion for c1s, carriers or fightersupport in homesites), you will get better results in synergizing group of 2+ ships, you will squeeze a bit more out by small tricks like better warpins and stuff. Even wormholeeffects will make a big difference in many holes.
As corbexx said, run a dozen plus, write everything down and give it to him.

From my experience a skills at 4 pilot in a drake will need almost two times as long for c3 sites and even has to warp out to recharge shields or cap in some sites. And that was the old fotm HM-drake.

From what I have seen the main difference between c3 and c4 ratting is not the isk/h but also how long you can sustain it. You have to look hard to find a c3 that you can´t clear out in one evening of playing, 2-3 hours easily do it. However when ratting for the same time in a c4, esp if it is your homesystem, you need way less sites ergo can do it not only when you are really lucky but once or twice a week for sure. While if you stack sites in your c3 to fit for 2+ hours of ratting someone else will probably clear it out in your off hours.

And noone in his right mind should compare those numbers to other kinds of income 1to1. Risk, no additional benefits like standings or secstatus, having to haul and sell it like LP are not factored in. Not to forget the single bomber that can take out your noctis/MTU/whatever or even just kill your wrecks and you walk away with nothing, while elsewhere you get your money in way shorter timeframe-"ticks".

If you like a 20 toon corp in a c2, then set up multiple pos's maybe not the best economical choice.

Well, if you take in new/unknown players giving them access to your POS is a way worse economical choice because you will wake up without stuff at some point. Hell, we even had two-men-posses in our c2 because we like POSdefenses that make invasionplaners go "NOPENOPENOPE".

Thanks for the feedback, I know you guys have been busting tail to get us this stuff.

I know you had some factors not taken into consideration, such as time to export goods and sell to NPC/Market.

There are two or three other upkeep factors that I can think of that would impact ISK per hour metric.

One is the cost of upkeep for a POS tower in terms of fuel. This would roughly estimate to be around 10 million a day for the average tower. Ammo costs for ships that use consumable ammo, this may be negligable for T1 ammo which most people should be farming with. But I feel it should be factored in. (Paladins are beardy as hell and just plain cheating. 8D ) Also, anoms and sites can be somewhat limited in your home system and the time that it takes to roll the hole and find a new static with anoms in it is another factor once you run out of sites to run.

Also, is this income comparison solely based on Wormhole to Wormhole class? Or is it being taken into consideration what income levels are like in Hisec / Lowsec / NPC null / Sov Null as compares to Wormholes?

Not even reading it. Other than the first sentence.

Can you confirm Tldr: sooo I had a bad day.. lala lala, la (can't remember the song)

C5 and C6 escalation numbers are roughly the same. I've experienced a huge range of personal income from them - in Ragnarok. we used to feed people, so we each made about 150M/h, running each site in 6 minutes (warp+ siege) with about 15 people in fleet. Of course, it's possible to run them as 3 multiboxing maniacs and getting 900 per hour, but again, there's a lot of variables, and it's not really viable doing this if you have 1 or 2 sites.

Reported income from doing C5 sites in a marauder with a salvaging alt ranges from 400 and 500 million ISK per hour, depending on how well you do your warpins and how well you dualbox the salvager. C6 sites are about the same, but require more bling and skill on the marauder pilot. Doing C5 sites in a shield domi or similar rr fleet nets about 200M/h. Doing them with a carrier and T3s is abysmally slow, and offers little extra income from the escalation spawn.

In my experience, C3 sites, the good ones, that is, netted about 100M/h, on average, however that was with HMLs not HAMs. I once did some C2 sites, but they're not really worth doing in the current state, income was about 50M/h, but that was with the same tengu setup. C2 sites suffer mostly from ranged spawns, in my experience, bringing the sleepers closer together would help a lot with that.

All in all, your numbers seems correct, but they're also the maximum achievable income, so in reality, you can expect about 20% less, not including the hauling time and rolling time, purely scanning a system out, setting up scouts and especially clicking d-scan or watching alts takes away from your concentration, and makes running sites slower.

And your income plummets again as now you're burning 200, 300, 400M ISK/mo per tower. Talk about a "double whammy" for corps in lower class wormholes trying to bring in new members to bolster WH space occupation already dealing with the low ISK/hr sites and splitting loot between players.

Wormhole space caters to many different players and playstyles. A w-space static isn't only used for farming, as I'm sure you're aware, and so saying "get a different one if you need more money" falls down when the reason those players are in wormhole space is because of the gameplay that their current link enables.

But that's not the same playstyle; living in a C4 is very different to living in a C2, regardless of the static links.