EVE General Discussion

Lol.. if only

Exactly. Good luck retaining them also!

The whole current Provi Bloc war with Hero is a complete farce. The pace and direction decided by NC and PL, who are content with farming amusing kill mails.

What is a "thread" to you ? And does a smaller force need to be a thread to the major alliances ?

I will be honest in that I was always a little sour towards the big groups, but I eventually came to the conclusion that that’s just how it was. Imagine if we had a huge imperialist war on earth, with maybe the blocs of USA, Europe, and Russia fighting against each other, trying to take as much space and territory as possible. Of course they’re going to do good because they have the numbers and funding to overpower and outlast other smaller entities. So I’m sorry that little New Guinea wants a “fair fight”, but the fact is, it’s a tiny blip on the radar, and if it wants to compete it either needs to join a big bloc, or manage to recruit other small nations until it is of comparable size/force. Otherwise it’s going to get its face crushed in.

The same thing applies in EVE. If you’re a tiny corporation, don’t expect to be able to take on groups much larger than you. If you’re a solo pilot, don’t be upset when they bring reinforcements. If I was going to get into a fist fight, I would want to bring a few big friends with me, I’m not looking to assert my samurai honor here or anything, I’m looking to win. Either get friends or more recruits. This is more of a sim than a video game, and in that respect, I feel like it’s doing a good good job of mimicking what would happen in the real world. The blue doughnut also happens to mimic that sort of. We have gotten past our 2 world wars, and apart form small skirmishes, the world has been relatively calm compared to the 20th century. Similar story in EVE. Maybe something will tip the balance, we will see.

That being said, the 0.0 situation is a little stale, and not giving anything to solo is annyoing.

Some more solo stuff would be nice. I am terrible at solo, but it would be nice to be able to engage in that sometimes. It’s hard to find a way to buff solo players without that buff carrying over to bigger groups. I think we don’t necessarily need to offer buffs for solo players, but give a consistent area for solo players to engage each other. Faction warfare has been fairly good with the plexes, but you can still get blobbed. I always wondered how well a mini outpost would do, in that it only allowed 2 ships to be inside at the same time. There would need to be a goal inside of it (like lp, or faction npc), but there would need to be a way to force 2 enemies inside it. Like maybe you get some lp in a randomly spawned plex (whether in FW or not, idk) only if you actually kill another player. There would need to be something in place to not just kill frig alts, and other balancing issues, but it’s just an idea for now.

Regarding 0.0; active defence of systems would be nice too. Whenever i fly through null sec i find it disheartening to see one alliance owning huge swathes of space, and yet I don’t see anyone in those systems. Null sec could hold so many more people, if just the same small alliances (relative to the entire community, but i am referring to the huge alliances) can hold huge amounts of space, set up their defence and not do anything about it regarding needing to defend it. I think holding space they’re not using is stupid. My idea regarding changing large alliances holding unused space is as follows:



There are npcs in those systems, and I think they don’t like you being there. I think it would be cool if, at downtime, the npcs attacked your system’s defences. The more npcs you leave around, the more they attack with. This would mean you would actively want to have people in your system, doing things, otherwise the npcs would retaliate. Maybe some sort of meter (like faction warfare plexing, in the top-left corner) showing the daily amounts. The more npcs that are killed in belts, anamolies, etc, and the more minerals are mined in a system, the bar goes up, and the assault at DT goes down, until you reach a 100% threshold, where the npcs determine it’s not worth it to attack for that day. This would make it so that it would actually be a liability to own systems that you weren’t using. I don’t think the attack should be so strong that it cripples the system after 1 DT, but maybe after a week of nothing happening, you system would be ripe for the picking. This forces alliances to hold an amount of systems that they can actually use, and the amount needed per day could be tweaked, as well as how much “damage” you system takes during DT to the outpost and i-hub or whatever else makes it effective/fair.

tl;dr, there needs to be X amount of rats killed, ore mined, facilties in Poses used, or something to that effect so that you’re actively “using” the system. Otherwise the npcs you left alive attack your system defences, making it much easier to take over the system. This would make it so alliances would own space proportional to what they can utilize with it.

Big alliances will still own lots of space, but they won’t own more than they particularly need. I really feel like this would encourage groups to move in and fight for space, since a lot of space would clear up, if the countless amount of empty systems I have seen can attest to that, since these huge blocs (desprite their size) just couldn’t defend against the constant attack, whether it be from players, or bold npcs.

They might have actually made sense for a change, instead of random battles out in the middle of nowhere or a couple-hundred-kilometer-wide wall of ships somehow being able to block transits across several thousand light-years of space.

Star Trek combat is perhaps the least intelligent imagining of space combat ever put to screen. Let's not try to copy stupid.

The large groups in Null sec have amassed the critical mass of the player base into there "Blocks" they have beaten then N+1 equation of eve by gaining the majority of the viable players willing to compete in nullsec.


You can't truly grow to fight them unless you can pull players away from them to start with, or bring fresh players into null sec and hope they don't just join one of the all ready large and established groups.


So yes something needs to be done to facilitate the break up of large blocks into smaller groups and by smaller i'm talking 6 or 8 larger groups with 30 or 40 intermittent groups spread about.

But how to do that with out breaking eve as a hole is beyond me for the most part.

Dude, that's like, so *puff* deep, man.

Star Trek proves that the universe is flat. &)

For the most part, that's what I meant. I wouldn't actually want a fleet of NPCs to warp in and shoot your **** up. I wrote that more for the RP perspective. Basically my idea as far as functionality would be that each system your alliance controls has a meter of some sort. Doing certain things in the system increases the meter (or decreases it, whatever) like ratting, mining, using station services, etc. Different things can give different values as far as the system percentage, that would have to be balanced by the devs.
If the bar was at 0%, mabye 10k damage (again, needs to be changed for a fair amount, i really have no idea i that would be considered too much or too little) would be dealt to ihubs and other things your alliance owns in the system, which would make it easier to tae over. If the bar was at 50%, then 5k damage, and if at 100% then no damage would be dealt.
The npcs coming in is purely for the RP part, and you wouldn't see them or interact with them, they would just "attack" at DT based on how much materials and ships you left them with.

System buildings decaying is an option, but that would just be frustrating because you would have to send a logi fleet out ever couple of days to fix everything. I think my idea is great because it forces people to actually utilize their space (i.e. ratting and making money, mining for materials, etc.) and they get punished if they don't. I see your idea as just punishment with no gain out of it, while at least with mine your people would be making money and getting minerals. And from the role playing perspective; the system's npcs would have less troops to counterattack your presence and leave you alone.