Wormholes

As promised some numbers for C1 to C4 wormholes. I'm semi limiting info as I don't want it to turn in to a slap fight of "ooh you can earn more if you do this or its optimal to do it this way" you want to do that fine run your own tests send me the numbers.

For C1 to C3 I used a tengu with 3 faction damage mods and max skills.
C4 was done with a paladin with 3 faction damage mods and max skills.

I did this on my own to get the times, potentially running in a group is better and I have done that for C1 to C4 although I've not got the go ahead to release that.

Each site was run 10 times to give a average of nano ribbons and there is 2 numbers per site. the first is teh average off all 10 sites the second I ignored the lowest and highest 2 nano ribbon drops then took a average of the middle 6 numbers (to try and remove some of the spikeiness of randon drops.

sites were ran and travel time included along with time taken to salvage (max salvager skills used).

This was a pure run sites as fast as possible done on sisi in a no effects system.

Things not taken in to account.

scanning the wormhole. Scouting. Checking static. Time taken to haul stuff out to sell.

These factors will potentially add up to lower the income alot espeically if you take in to acount alt scouts, running sites in the statics etc. So numbers need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hvNEjGFjPPGEXeOqSS4O_Zm9BokSu0bz6DnhD5KDisk/edit?usp=sharing


Several things of note.

C1 site perimeter camp I got a crazy amount of nanos which is why the isk from that site is so high (double the other sites) I really need to rerun this site 10 times when I get time. That one site pulls C1 space up above C2 space. without that site C1 and C2 is basically same income.

I only did each site 10 times, chatting to our maths god in NoHo he thinks i should do them 100 times atleast to get a significant sample size which aint going to happen. So keep in mind my sample size is low which may affect things.

The percentage income from nano ribbons is also listed so you get a idea of how much that will affect sites.

Yes you can potentially make more but this was on my own.

I'd like to give a huge thanks to people who helped me collect this info as it really help speed things up. This combined with the testing in small groups (up to 3 people) took close to 300 hours. I was up at 4 in the morning doing the last bit of maths for C4 sites the day I left for Iceland. So it would be ready for the summit.

As said if people want to argue I'll happily listen as long as they have the proof to back it up.

Thanks corbexx for the effort.

The only problem is that the data is useless.

1. You have been paid nothing in the time interval you tested. I.e. you can still be ganked on the way to market.
2. You did this in a vacuum. (Sisi, no chance of being ganked)
3. Most corporations in a c4 do not run a single character so any payment will be split 2 or more ways
4. Applies mostly after Hyperion... 10 sites would have to spawn in the first place....

The c4 to c3 isk comparison is greater if you cheery pick which sites you do. which people will almost certainly do if they are running sites in there static.

I didn't experiment with lowest ship. for a couple reasons mainly the fact that i had to have devs move me and ships around on sisi which can take awhile. So didn't want to bother them as much.

Considering that the number of sites in a system is limited I think it would be nice if you would add the ISK per site to that table.

Regarding accuracy: Shouldn't CCP be able to give you exact numbers for the chance of loot drops for each ship?
That way you could calculate exactly how much ISK a site will return on average.

No insult intended, as stated, thank you for the time and effort. The problem is that miss information is worse than no information.

The sample and test case does not come close to realty. Sorry.

Thats fine please do your own testing send me it I'll pass it on.

It's not useless.
Obviously those numbers aren't super accurate, but it's something that you can show to CCP and tell them "look, that's what I could earn in a best case scenario and still those numbers appear to be way too low".

For doing the actual rebalancing I'm sure CCP will be able to come up with more accurate numbers based on their own data.

Confirming C3 average income is exactly as in the spreadsheet based on literally hundreds and hundreds of C3s ran.

In C4s I've reached considerably higher figures, and heard others refer to the same approx. 200mil/hr.

Tengu is probably not ideal for C1-C2s due to sleeper ship size, but In any case, these figures are definitely in the right ballpark and the most important thing to get from them is the issue with C1 and C2 space. It's not any safer to run C2s than it is to run higher class sites, PVE surely is easier but risks remain the same.

These holes should be lucrative to newcomers to w-space, but in current EVE it's difficult to even fart and not make more isk/hr.

the average income for C4 is higher with frontier barracks (which is by far the best site to do) I got 170mill/hour and with a couple people working together i've hit over 200mill/hour. But i can see experinced people getting more than me.

Holy **** just how many extra chromosomes do you have? If you think it's misinformation, then go fix it. Run your own tests and tell us the numbers that you think are correct. If you aren't going to do that then accept Corbexx's numbers. Tbh you're probably too busy whining to do anything though...

> 1. You have been paid nothing in the time interval you tested. I.e. you can still be ganked on the way to market.

How dumb are you if you get ganked on the way to the market? I bet you're one of those 80b shuttle loses that pop up. Just use Red Frog or don't be dumb and do it in a T3.

> 2. You did this in a vacuum. (Sisi, no chance of being ganked)

Your only point with a real semblance of intelligence. Use scouts to greatly minimize the risk.

> 3. Most corporations in a c4 do not run a single character so any payment will be split 2 or more ways

If the isk is less when split with two people, then maybe you should run them solo instead as obiously having the second person isn't offering any benefit.

> 4. Applies mostly after Hyperion... 10 sites would have to spawn in the first place.

>Applies mostly after Hyperion

mfw that's the patch we're on and the data is actually applicable...