Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Capitals will be killed only when they will not scout them self.
Small people usually do not move their capital fleets few times a week around the map.
Current state moving of capitals :

Undock from station -> jump to cyno on station , dock , undock -> jump to cyno on station -> (...) -> jump to engagement.

Bold part is safe , and something very very stupid have to happen in order to loose ships in this part. You are crossing regions each jump, so you usually choose shorter jump.

What i propose :
Undock from station -> jump to regional gate , jump by the gate -> jump to midpoint station in region, dock, undock -> jump to regional gate , jump the gate -> jump to midpoint station in region, dock, undock -> jump to regional gate , jump the gate -> jump to engagement.

The same route will be applied to subcapital fleets and titan bridges, just replace the jump part with the titan bridge.

Bold part this time is when something can happen. You can be tackled , bubbled to slow your movement , splited , and where capitals will have to regenerate their cap. All of this dramatically extends the time for a fleet to arrive to destination - so having 1 staging system to control 4-5 regions will not be so viable any more.

This will also decrease impact from blobs on most of the NPC space and lowsec , as moving there will not be 1-2 jumps any more , but route by 3-4 midpoints , or even more.

Fact is that blobs currently have more space they can use , and more space they can even rent. Yet because of current instant teleporting mechanic they are able to take and hold r64 moons in lowsec or any npc space - preventing the same any new group to growup.

JF , they have to be also nerfed , for some time they could be excluded from sector jump limitation , but at the end i would also see them limited by this mechanic.

No exception for BO.

Sorry but the same rules have to be for every one.
I fly my carrier sometimes few times a day , and i live in stain , so yes this region will be having one hell for logistics.

This is base issue of current state of eve - just to fast. In 1 jump you can be regions away directly in the battle , next jump you are back , next jump and you are 3 regions away in other direction.

My base concept was :
- XL (capital size) gates between regions, but ONLY into direction of nearest NPC space.
- ALL sov regions gain S size ( max cruiser ) gates towards nearest NPC space
- ALL NPC regions that are not directly connected to lowsec gain the same S size connection to nearest lowsec.

To make space more interesting , in some regions some constellations will also gain XL sized gates if they are out of reach for dreads or super capitals.

So in order to move from Paragon soul to nearest lowsec you WILL have to move your super or capital in this manner :
1. Paragon Soul
2. Esoteria
3. Stain
4.Catch
5. Curse/Providence
6. Lowsec

6 gates to cross , 6 places that someone could , do something to you.

At the same time when you want to move using S size gates in your T2 Cloaky indy :
1. Paragon Soul
2. Stain
3. Lowsec

(Yes you have to fly in stain between systems that are exit point from Paragon Soul and entry point for lowsec connection)

Point 2 almost right , but yes in some cases you will have big issues - and that is whole point of those changes.
Logistics also have to be impacted, as they are one of the ways you can easily project power.

Shielding will be not about numbers but a way you do some stuff.
Now you can easily hotdrop anyone as you just 2 cyno ships.
One that will hunt , and the seccond that will be sitting on a friendly station undock.
By this mechanic you can in 1 minute be 6-7 regions away.

People that will want to hotdrop your logistic op will have to be already on place , and yes logistic op - as you will escort your jump freighters.

Remember that logistics in both ways will be more difficult.
So i think that most of the stuff you are moving now out will stay and find its use locally.

Do not forget about the biggest shortcut that eve provides : Wormholes.
In nullsec region , finding one that will lead to lowsec space is not the big issue.

For a people living in some nullspace logistics will most likely be moved to :
Station -> WH -> Lowsec -> Higsec -> Lowsec -> WH -> Station.

Changes that will fix this game have to be extreme - as for any small changes big blocks will quickly adapt and in 1-2 moths after this map will be looking the same way as it is looking now.

The worst thing that CCP can do is to try do all nullsec changes at the same time.
Because this will take ages , sorry , years.

1 Limiting JB/Jump Drive/Titan Bridge projection is the first thing that must happen - and asap - this will be the thing that will generate content for every one , as this will totally shift current combat mechanic.

2. Next thing should be introducing some new faction agents to null space , so a single system can feed more people

3. Creating occupancy based sov.

This translates directly to :

1. Less space reachable fast , less possibility for hotdrops, more dedication to holding your sov in the matter of constant moving and not sitting in 1 system that have half of eve in 1-2 station midpoints.

2. Less space needed to generate income, especially from renter perspective. Why keep 4 regions full of renters when they all can generate income in 1 constellation.

3. Cementing the rule , you will keep only so much space as you really need.

But there is nothing wrong about someone hotdroping someone, catching him off guard.
Thats the base concept of those changes - more places that something might happen , moving fleets less secure.
Logistics that will require escort.

So you want to limit blobs, limit ability for hotdrops, third party instant teleportation across the map , but only if this will not affect you.

Sorry , i am aware that this changes will shakeup some of the game styles , but this is nullsec.
You cannot change this game without changing base concepts of the game.

Will some remote edges of the universe will be safe heaven for the ratters.
Yes ... like now.

Unless ccp creates those new connections (S size gates to nearest NPC space) , from those dead ends

Remember that for people living in those dead ends , logistics will be true nightmare.
But maybe this will be good, as every thing will be have to produced locally - and i think that this game should go into this direction , rather than "teleport new stuff from jita" .

As for moving between nullsec <->Lowsec <-> Higsec.
From subcapital perspective nothing will change much.

So unless you are bridging your subcapital 2-3 regions nothing will change much.

Currently ceptors are so fast that you can easily do 20-30 without any big threat.

How about you do something? CFC's PBLRD is not better at all. While B0T and NA. at least get people into 00 Sec (as seen by the numerous yellow dots on the map representing Players in Space in the last 30 Minutes), PBLRD mostly holds empty space. Infiltrate CFC and PL/N3 and spy around to spark war. Make them attack each other. Support smaller entities like TRI, MOA, Fountain Core or other insurgents (maybe even PASTA). Changes to the Sov System are the ultimate goal, but the Players of the game let it come this far after all because they are the lazy and safety-seeking activity drivers of the game.

And while PL/N3. rather play in 00 Sec and pull their shenanigans there, CFC prefers to stay in High sec and gank freighters and miners.

This certainly is a problem; however, whatever CCP does, nothing is going to change if the same mindset, attitude and way of thinking and acting of the players continues to prevail. If no one is willing to take risks or sparks of a war (this is after all what most players seem to want and don't want at the same time) and continue farming Providence and Brave instead, any mechanics change is bound to change nothing on the state of 00 Sec itself.

Though, I also don't really fancy playing a game where I am "allowed" to "own" something by the munificence of the big players. And exactly this feeling is what I have been having for a couple of months now as the big players seemingly concentrate their entire force on the small entities and quell them instead of the big opponents.

That's been suggested already in another thread, to a deluge of howling and butthurt whining. Not sure if the commenter was a troll but it was very entertaining.

How will this change the current state of sov affairs, which is: sov is decided in fights at predetermined points of time, which leads to huge amounts of pilots all piled in one system at the same time (one word: TiDi!), and to the n+1 group practically always winning?



Yay for that.

New discussion today from CCP.

Power Projection nerf inbound.

I hope its so monumental we will all be Shocked.

This sounds very bad