EVE General Discussion

coro creation fees are so small they arent even a factor in the economy.

it should cost isk to join and leave a corp (administration fees) or close a corp and a lot more to createa corp.

When...and if...you can cite (and you can't) a superceding quote from the only source that matters...aka CCP...then and only then will you you be able to successfully assert that his quote is meaningless. Until then, I'm not the one who needs to catch up.

CPP decides policy, that quote is the most current policy declaration.

And of course you are right, gms are not devs. Devs code, GMs manage policy. Now try not to be upset.

-Full-on carebears who want immunity from non-consensual PvP, forget it. This is EvE and there is no place outside a station (or newbros in rookie-space) that should be safe. Thankfully, there isn't.

-Hisec gankbears who want consequence-free non-consensual PvP at your whim, forget it. There are mechanics for placing you in a position to have consequences to engaging in non-consensual PvP. Deal with it. You get to force PvP upon anyone you want, let that be enough. If someone wants to run away and hide they get to do that, you don't get to keep the fish in a little barrel to shoot. Oh well.

FFS people, at the end of the day anyone can shoot at anyone...

The mechanic exists, and not as an exploit, to decdodge by dropping out of or rerolling a corp. Nothing from any CCP resource has said otherwise, and this threadnaught has had zero reaction from the powers that be.

POCO, POS, Hangars, double the profits for all forms of income making. That is what is special and worth fighting for under the suggested idea.

All of these are useful enough to a player, but could be more useful.
POCO is on the right track, as the tax rates set by most corps make it very difficult to make a profit when shipping mats down to a planet. I see many smaller corps who own POCO for the ability to profit in these scenarios, but they will have to defend it if the time comes.
POS should have more benefit vs. station, barely a point in owning one right now.
Should note the 50% reduction would not just be NPC tax, but would be a 50% reduction in all forms of income. Mining cycles would be reduced similarly, dropped loot perhaps too. Trading would be an exception.

These are the things worth fighting for and/or worth risking yourself over, even for a 1 man corp.


He would be motivated to defend it if it offered all the benefits listed above. Why does one player corp need to offer more value than another player corp? Remove his ability to dec dodge and there becomes no point in reforming, he might as well stay in his first corp.

His options become "stay in corp and fight/take risks" or "don't stay in corp and lose all the benefits". Risk-reward in it's purest form.


Of course some players will just eat the NPC tax. That's their choice; reduced risk for reduced income. When push comes to shove, nothing we can do will be able to force all players into dealing with wardecs.

Your claim that highsec corps have no PvE reward is addressed by proxy of NPC corps reducing PvE rewards considerably.

Here's the problem with that though, Steps - you need a corp to put those things up, but, you don't need to put those things up to create a corp. Understand? There is zero requirement to commit a corporation to anything in high sec.

I'm in agreeance with this, been saying it in pretty much any wardec post I've seen. Corps are not really worth a whole lot. And are not really worth defending. More so on the 0% tax corps.


POCO's and POS's provide some need to defend. But a POS can be taken down and moved before the 24 hours are up and the players can drop corp and leave an alt in the corp until the war is over.


I think that NPC need a reason to make people leave. Not force them, but give them a reason to want to leave. Seeing as most players don't care about the NPC Tax. It seems to a logical reason to up the tax rate. However if we can leave the Tax rate at it's current level, and come up with an idea to pushes the idea for NPC corpies to make a player corp I would be happy for that to happen.


IE like you said, more benefits to help with PVE activities.

Yeah, it's basically exactly what I had before except with different lighting. I decided I wanted to be a little more shadowy. I want to be known as 'shady' but not evil, 'mysterious' but not unapproachable. Dashing, villainous... a 'puckish rogue', if you will.

I'm actually more 'white knight' than most mercs. I will mess with mission runners for example, but if they show some spirit, I'll usually offer to help cover their loss and even teach them some PVP basics if they want it. My latest rookie, BenJi Dan, scored his first good proper PVP kill today against an EVE vet in a Rupture in 0.3 somewhere. I'm still doting over the pride of having successfully raised another dangerous EVE entity. But I found him by assisting his carebear corp against a wardec. They're a manufacturing corp primarily but, before I found them, they were actually doing quite well holding their own in the dec. Anyway, I found them when I was messing with one of their mission runners.

But that dec is why you can't tell me that indi players can't fight without me giggling at you a little. They didn't really need me, they'd killed a few of their 'griefers' just fine by themselves, just by banding together and putting up a fight.

But here's the thing - I know there's no 'honour' in EVE but, I still have something of a personal code of 'honour' and I want that to come across in my presentation a bit as well, but not too much. Like, just the other day, I found a mission runner in a really screwy Domi fit that was getting ****** with, which at first, I had a laugh at.

Then I realised he was getting ****** with guys using logi, and that was like kicking dirt in my eyes - at least when I do it, I do it solo, one assault frigate, no links. I happened to be in a Typhoon at the time, and BenJi was nearby in his Thorax, so I got him to come along. We landed too far to kill them but I did succeed in chasing them off. They dropped tackle on him to warp and I told him to dock, wait for his timer to end, gave him a new Domi fit, and told him some of the ins and outs of high sec fuckery so he could blueball guys like that in future.

So, I'm not that nefarious really, I could even be borderline 'carebear' by virtue of sympathising with them at times. Thing is, the fact that he was scrammed told me he wasn't carebear, cuz he tried to fight, and apparently put up a good enough one for those cowards to feel the need to bring logi for one Vengeance against a shitfit Domi. That was enough for me to feel he was worthy of my assistance.

I don't go after people because they're easy, I go after them because they make an impression. What kind of impression they make, I suppose, dictates whether I go after them as a friend, or an enemy. I suppose that's the look I'm trying to go for, not really sure how to explain it but yeah, 'shady' because unpredictable I guess.

EDIT: As a side note, I can't remember ever being, or what made me, this vain.

I've been saying basically this for a while. (although hearing Gevlon Goblin agree with it is... disturbing? yeah that's a good word for it)

NPC corps right now skew the risk/reward ratio.

They provide too much relief from risk without commensurate loss of reward.

But of course the whole problem stems from player corps not having enough carrots as well, obviously. Maybe some kind of structure you had to anchor in order to run higher level missions, or collect incursion payouts? Something to get people out and playing the game.

Except when the tax did go up in NPC corps a lot did moan (so they do care about tax) and the result of the tax increase caused 1 character corps to become more popular.

So stop with the bs about NPC corp members don't care about tax, because it simply isn't true.

The system is working perfectly fine now. People who want to be in medium-large corps in highsec face wardeccs and need to figure out how to fight back. People who don't want to deal with stick to NPC/1 man corps, and are still subject to PvP through suicide ganking. There is no reason the game mechanics should be adjusted (by raising tax on NPC corps) to force people into PvP without CONCORD protection - that does not reinforce the values of highsec, and is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt by some folks to pad their killboard. Game WAD, no changes needed.