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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1241 - 2014-09-20 23:13:25 UTC
Adolfus Shakor wrote:
This thread is a pointless exercise! Their are too many ways for a person/corp to avoid a war-dec if they have no intention to fight back.

The current system as it stands fits in quite well with the risk vs reward ethos of eve, the aggressor pays their ISK with the risk that their intended targets have no intention of fighting back. The reward being finding a corp that fights back.

Here is a list of ways to avoid that war-dec

1) close the corp and open a new one.
2) Already have a number of corps open held by alts and move members to other corps as the need arrives.
3) Don't un-dock.
4) Find a wormhole and take an extended break from Hi-sec.
5) Make an alt and keep it in a NPC corp and use this.
6) Don't log in and play something else until the war is dropped.

I have been in corps where the whole member base has no combat skills, they can build and mine very well and this is what they enjoy doing, what keeps them logging into eve! Why are you so obsessed with going to war with a corp that can't/won't fight back? A little research into the corps your war-decking will tell you if your going to have a fight on your hands or not .

Stop brainlessly war-decking random small corps and then getting mad when they side step the war-deck problem solved.


tell me, what entitles your friends to play eve risk and combat free? why should i allow them ti mine and amass isk unmolested?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1242 - 2014-09-20 23:35:55 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Oh you mean the other ways to "PvP" in areas of the game like market trading and mining?

Aside from the fact that in many cases there are more resources available than players collecting it which means that my mining a rock doesn't prevent you from mining a rock.

Or I could also go into an in-depth discussion on opportunity costs and alternate means to the same end. All of which, once again, are features in the game (either intentional or simply a desirable side effect) that allow players to keep themselves from being victims of "non-consensual PvP".



if you're mining you are affecting the market inspme way.

the devs even talk abou nonconsensual pvp. but really every time you undock you consent to pvp...hell every time you log in. hence why defensive modules exist.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1243 - 2014-09-20 23:37:58 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Seneca Auran wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I'm not going to ask you for a citation on this because I know there isn't one. The surrender mechanic says, to me, that they could be taking them in a certain direction, much like tiericide and other gradual developments in EVE. Who knows, maybe it's on their list of things to do already.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249

GM Karidor wrote:
4) Corp recycling to evade war decs
Not an exploit. Players are free to close and recreate corporations as they see fit due to the inconveniences usually involved in closing down a corp and the (miniscule) costs of founding a new one.



Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

The existence of the surrender mechanic displays otherwise.


The existence of the surrender mechanic displays the intent for corporations who actually have something to lose by disbanding to have a means of seeking an end to a war dec.

It does not display an intent to force everyone, regardless of whether or not they have anything to lose, to indulge a war dec because EVE is all about integrity and nobility and rules of genteel honor.



People can argue on this until they turn blue in the face, but a GM already made a statement on this from 2011. Three years and it has not changed. CCP does not feel dodging is an exploit. They know it's there, they know what's happening. It doesn't matter if you disagree or agree. This is their stance. Until they decide to change it, this stands.

And with that I'm done with this thread. Best of luck to everyone when it comes to finding ways to enjoy the game. Fly safe (or not if you think flying safe is boring).


dec dodging is so legit that if you do it enough the gms will pay you a visit.

hey wait hold on...

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Seneca Auran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1244 - 2014-09-21 00:02:01 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

tell me, what entitles your friends to play eve risk and combat free? why should i allow them ti mine and amass isk unmolested?

the devs even talk abou nonconsensual pvp. but really every time you undock you consent to pvp...hell every time you log in. hence why defensive modules exist.


So who is stopping you? You are completely free to attack anyone you choose, at any time.

Xuixien wrote:

dec dodging is so legit that if you do it enough the gms will pay you a visit.

hey wait hold on...



Says who?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1245 - 2014-09-21 00:06:43 UTC
Seneca Auran wrote:


Xuixien wrote:

dec dodging is so legit that if you do it enough the gms will pay you a visit.

hey wait hold on...



Says who?


um.... the devs.

maybe try reading the thread before you reply duder.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Seneca Auran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1246 - 2014-09-21 00:08:56 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Seneca Auran wrote:


Xuixien wrote:

dec dodging is so legit that if you do it enough the gms will pay you a visit.

hey wait hold on...



Says who?


um.... the devs.

maybe try reading the thread before you reply duder.


The only reference to a 'visit' from GM's was in regards to Alliance hopping to avoid war decs. And that was changed to a flat "Corporations are free to change alliances as they see fit at any time.".

And you still haven't told us who is stopping you from attacking anyone you want at any time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1247 - 2014-09-21 00:09:21 UTC
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1248 - 2014-09-21 00:29:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs


back in the day i used that alliace...what was it called? dec shield?

that was really op and ccp got rid of it (more evidence that ccp doesnt like dec dodging)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#1249 - 2014-09-21 01:20:39 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs


back in the day i used that alliace...what was it called? dec shield?

that was really op and ccp got rid of it (more evidence that ccp doesnt like dec dodging)


yup

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1250 - 2014-09-21 01:33:13 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs


back in the day i used that alliace...what was it called? dec shield?

that was really op and ccp got rid of it (more evidence that ccp doesnt like dec dodging)


yup


Actually, no straw clutching required. You could get out of a wardec in a matter of hours or less without having to even drop corp. CCP don't like easymode, so I suggest that if future changes to wardecs are made, you not be too surprised, and I would recommend against the casual dismissal of the possibility, given that it has happened before. Or did you choose to ignore Benny's post, the one with the good points, like so many of my own and others with good points have been ignored by your carebear ilk?

Once again, you're coming into a conversation that's well and truly halfway done, if not essentially finished already. If you have read the thread, and the points made in it, and constructed a point worth contributing in that it hasn't been brought up yet, then please, be my guest. But parroting dismissals and assertions that have already been made and addressed? Who are you that we need to repeat ourselves to you just because you can't be bothered reading, or getting involved with the discussion when it began?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1251 - 2014-09-21 01:46:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs


Gotta be the drop and reform corp and declare 30-1 victory. Nothing pisses em off more!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1252 - 2014-09-21 01:52:31 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs


Gotta be the drop and reform corp and declare 30-1 victory. Nothing pisses em off more!


If it's not on a war report, it never happened Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1253 - 2014-09-21 03:11:46 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs


back in the day i used that alliace...what was it called? dec shield?

that was really op and ccp got rid of it (more evidence that ccp doesnt like dec dodging)


yup


yes, citing examples of policy to gauge where policy makers ideology lay is totes grasping at straws Roll

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1254 - 2014-09-21 05:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
Xuixien wrote:


dec dodging is so legit that if you do it enough the gms will pay you a visit.

hey wait hold on...




GM Karidor wrote:

Game Masters
C C P Alliance
Likes received: 966
#70Posted: 2011.09.29 14:30

4) Corp recycling to evade war decs
Not an exploit. Players are free to close and recreate corporations as they see fit due to the inconveniences usually involved in closing down a corp and the (miniscule) costs of founding a new one.


6) Alliance hopping to evade war decs. (edited Oct. 10th)
Corporations are free to change alliances as they see fit at any time. This officially nullifies this notification.


GM Karidor | Senior Game Master


Not sure this could be any clearer, and nothing has been posted by staff which supersedes this.

WAI.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1255 - 2014-09-21 05:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
double post

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#1256 - 2014-09-21 05:12:14 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So what is everyone's favorite way to dodge wardecs


back in the day i used that alliace...what was it called? dec shield?

that was really op and ccp got rid of it (more evidence that ccp doesnt like dec dodging)


yup


yes, citing examples of policy to gauge where policy makers ideology lay is totes grasping at straws Roll



GM Karidor wrote:

Game Masters
C C P Alliance
Likes received: 966
#70Posted: 2011.09.29 14:30

4) Corp recycling to evade war decs
Not an exploit. Players are free to close and recreate corporations as they see fit due to the inconveniences usually involved in closing down a corp and the (miniscule) costs of founding a new one.


6) Alliance hopping to evade war decs. (edited Oct. 10th)
Corporations are free to change alliances as they see fit at any time. This officially nullifies this notification.


GM Karidor | Senior Game Master


Clearly this isn't clear enough. Maybe they need to include pictures. Roll

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1257 - 2014-09-21 05:30:35 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:


GM Karidor | Senior Game Master


Clearly this isn't clear enough. Maybe they need to include pictures. Roll
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How to manual or it never happened.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1258 - 2014-09-21 05:39:33 UTC
you guys need to research dec shield and then youllunderstand why your out of context 2011 quote is meaningless.

theres a lot of reading for you to catch up on. dont worry, i wont hold my breath that you actually do so Roll

ps: gms =! devs

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1259 - 2014-09-21 05:45:01 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
you guys need to research dec shield and then youllunderstand why your out of context 2011 quote is meaningless.

theres a lot of reading for you to catch up on. dont worry, i wont hold my breath that you actually do so Roll

ps: gms =! devs


Except that CCP explicitly stated that dropping corp to avoid wardeccs is not an exploit, and is perfectly acceptable. Further, they have not taken any adverse action after years of people consistently using the tactic. That's a pretty strong indication that they find it acceptable.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1260 - 2014-09-21 05:49:51 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
you guys need to research dec shield and then youllunderstand why your out of context 2011 quote is meaningless.

theres a lot of reading for you to catch up on. dont worry, i wont hold my breath that you actually do so Roll

ps: gms =! devs


Except that CCP explicitly stated that dropping corp to avoid wardeccs is not an exploit, and is perfectly acceptable. Further, they have not taken any adverse action after years of people consistently using the tactic. That's a pretty strong indication that they find it acceptable.


theres a reason dec shield corp was called "rule reversal" and theres a reason its not active anymore. seriously, go read.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist