Missions & Complexes

With the spawn timer mechanic change they saw it as an opportunity. When your strength is quanity over quality ofc you use that to your advantage, "you either join us or die opposing us"

As to the contesting claim "following", ISN's use of contesting is no different than TVP's use of it, be it isk/hr or just for fun. Actual following has only occured once or twice after having been provoked be it a fc from another group preloading the sites ISN were in warp to or generally being a twit.

I also remember you trying to gank an ISN fleet and failing horribly.

Maybe the parties to the arguments could find a nice quiet corner of a nice quiet system, declare some duels, and whoever wins the ISK war wins the argument? Like someone somewhere once may have said, approximately, there's a unsubtle difference between a sandbox and a litter box.

Won't work because ISN cannot follow any reasonable rules. Well, "couldn't follow": I doubt we should use present or future forms to talk about ISN.

As for litter box - HQ systems turned into litter box two years ago, thanks to ISN. Almost nobody popped moms prematurely for like 7-8 months before their appearance, fleets didn't contest each other outside of vanguard systems (and they did it in vanguards only because it was really necessary due to heavy competition). Right now TVP is just cleaning the sand which accumulated a lot of waste.

I say this is one of the things that make this game great. Another page in Eve's vibrant history tome.

Here's the thing about "rules" and eve. The only people who can set absolute rules for EVE are CCP. Anything else is a player agreement. ISN has a history of being screwed over in the process of making such things, and protesting at the time the agreement is being made, and then the rest of the community agrees and expects ISN to comply against their own best interests and without having actually agreed to anything. If you don't know the history, going back into BTL, TDF and the early formation of TVP as "the HQ channel" and the drama that caused, you probably don't have enough of the backstory to make a reasonable comment.

Now, if we got a summit of leadership of major channels to agree publicly to a set of standards for when to run the motherships, and when it is acceptable to deviate and so on, and got people to agree that this standard was binding and anyone who violated it was in the wrong, this would be a different story.

"Against their own best interests" - could have sworn the whole point of running incursions is to make ISK. It's just a shame ISN can't see that.

PS: Ask Noble about said agreement, we tried that and Noble threw his toys out the pram like a spoilt child.

Or better yet, they can take their panzy asses to low or null and fight over the Incursions there.

But no, that might involve actual peeveepee. Can't have 'leet high seccers actually FIGHTING.

So what was ISN doing in NEO 1 and 2?
And TDF proved that they didn't know much in NEO 2. But hey, at least they signed up.

Except TVP has deluded itself into thinking that there is some large mass of players that is upset with ISN, that TVP is on some "righteous crusade" to save the "soul" of Incursioning, and that in the end they will "prevail".

Let's be honest, here: this entire thing only affected TVP and ISN. Instead of acting mature about it, you decided to throw a tantrum after reimbursing the pilots who lost stuff from your coalition's SRP. You could have drawn attention to Noble's duplicitous nature and the fact that he's an idiot, but you decided to punish everyone because of the actions of one person, and the vast majority of us aren't even around him.

TVP knows that the majority of people don't support them. This was evidenced by the fact that during the little butthurt session on your comms, you kicked/banned players who raised objections to your plans until you had a handful of people who just wanted to sit there and listen to you guys cry. You kicked roughly 80% of the people from your comms in order to make yourself feel good, and then you started this propaganda machine to paint yourselves as some type of "white knight". You are the opposite of it. You are taking out your aggressions on the entire Incursion community because you lost some blue stuff from your ships. And the best part is that any of us would have done it, because that is free ISK. Don't lie about it: you're just as greedy and selfish as the rest of us, hence TVP's actions.

Last week, the constellation of Sibu (I believe). ISN sent out a mail to their members and the leaders of the entire Incursion community, saying that they would not be moving there to pop the mothership. ISN's "tactic" then changed form popping the mothership of the Incursion that TVP was in officially to outright popping all the motherships that were in high sec if TVP decided to form any type of HQ fleet. You got called out and told that you'd have no reason to pop the Sibu mothership, and you did anyways because you are a bunch of spoiled brats.

You are not as important as you think, and this is the first time that I will say I support ISN on something. I, too, had stuff stolen by Noble. My repsonse was to get a few buddies together and camp him in for a few weeks until he returned it, or paid for it. he realized VERY quickly that it would not be a good idea to try to outsmart me, because I knew his alts. I could hurt him plenty and there was nothing he could do about it. I made it all back, plus interest.

I didn't throw a tantrum and close down Incursions for everyone, and I wouldn't do so. ISN, maybe. Not the entire community.

I think it's time TVP came to realize what a collosal ****-up they've made. I think it's time to dust off the arty Tornadoes and remove TVP fleets from Incursions for a bit. Maybe then the entire community can get back to having fun.

Why would you bother to alpha machariel ? Leave that to sanshas when logis go down :)