Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Never played in nul and have no desire to because of all the stuff being talked about, that and from those I know that are in nul it sounds even more boring than playing the high sec game. So from my limited perspective I have a thought, actually more of a basic idea and it cuts across all regions of space. So now all suited up in nomex and kevlar here goes.

First to set up a rating scale to help others understand where I am going with this. 1 being highest security and 10 being lowest. I place current high sec at about a 3.

High sec increase, yes there I said it increase the number of concord, faction and empire police say double what it is now and reduce their response times to about half. Making high sec more secure say a 1-2 on the scale giving the new and casual game players a place to enjoy the world of internet space ships with a lower risk of the kinds of things these players hate. I know this is unpopular but we need the player base and this might help to attract and hold them.

Next up is a new region we would call medium security space. Basically we carve out a section of current high and low sec to give them physical space to exist in. Same basic rules as high sec only a smaller group of concord/faction/empire police with a slower response time say about a 3-5 on our scale.

Low sec. Add concord or faction/empire police but in even smaller quantities yet and increase the response times, say make this a 7-8 on our security scale. Here the rules change to allow for a wider variety of PvP interactions without a concord/empire/faction police response and those that do commit crimes would have a chance of getting away.

Nul sec then becomes a larger version of what low sec is now. A place where the only rules are the ones you can enforce and in order to hold territory you have to be there to fight off any and all comers.

The biggest advantage I see to this is it scales everything in the risk versus rewards portion of the game. very little risk and low rewards to high risk and high rewards. The wider selection of risk versus reward areas of space gives players a wider selection of options so they can find an area of space to play in that best suits what they want out of the game.

I see lots of problem areas that would need to be worked out and I am interested in what all of you have to say.

Syndicate is the perfect case and point in "want that space? fight for it". It's exactly what people are asking for in terms of mechanics. Why is this bad?

Contrary to popular opinion, the sprawl is actually good for one type of PVE, exploration. Even at the moment it's hard to support all the scanners in an alliance's space. In this case the more systems the better.

Problems with max density sov on exploration;

1) It becomes even more competitive that now, upgrades for mini professions and DEDs will have to be fixed to spawn way more per system, which now jips the reward because of supply. Maybe some sort of exploration with liquid isk reward to support scanners in a smaller area is needed?
2) Escalating sites now pose far more risk. At the moment you will likely be sent into donut space so the anemic rewards are justified, but if we're talking max density escalations are now almost guaranteed to end up in hostile space which is fiiiiine, but, the reward/risk ratio is now totally broken. Take the 4th room of Pirate's Path; you are scrammed, jammed and webbed which often goes on for minutes at a time, you are a sitting duck for the system which is now full of neuts who probably already tried to scan you down the moment you entered, and the drop is oftentimes....30 million....70 million...or just sweet FA. Then there's the final room of No Quarter which needs a carrier dropped on it, who is going to do that now every system is packed? This now pushes even more scanned sites into the Just Don't Bother category.

tl:dr CCP pls don't break exploration........moreso.

Some money on the table....

http://moa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25299994



almost 2:1 against us and we come out way ahead still

since you were limited to the people locally you could pull from... and could not cyno in your usual blobs

So first didn't think you could link kill boards in forums.
Second you spin so much it's sad you undocked and fought with ishtars and scimitars. You left grid multiple times losing ships each time. Then you come back 40 minutes later and kill ratters it's sad you call that pvp. MOA undock again it was fun.

So did you crush the goons and take back your NPC station or not?

Or is ganking Incursion runners the standard for strategic victories these days?

"We couldn't kill their fleet so we killed some ratters instead. Victory is ours."

The agents in outposts is a good idea. The only problem with it is that would allow the creation of safe farming heavens bar the ocasional roam. Of course agents could give missions 1 or 2 systems away but the bigest problem with guerilla warfare is ship availability so it would be quite hard to disrupt the said farmimg heavens. Looking at the example of 5zx, the Mordus's station, a place where pvp and pve mix with great succes, it's obvious that having the possibility to store a ship or two in that station helps a lot the people willing to disrupt the farming and also bring pvp opportunities for the inhabitants.
So instead of putting those concord agents into a normal outpost why not host them into a new kind of destructible outpost, a free port (where everybody could dock) with basic services (hangars, fitting and repairs), that could be deployed alone or in the same system with a normal outpost. In my opinion this would bring things closer to the risk vs revard ideal of nullsec, and would allow for both pve and pvp opportunities to be had. Having both pve and pvp content at your doorstep is something that would make 0.0 more vibrant and fun.
Thank you and sorry for spelling, tablet.

Ps: people in rifters could hurt an empire no matter how big. And the big supercap fleet will not hurt those rifters.

Edit: for those concerned, there is already a piece of code in place that prevents the docking of the supercaps in stations and outposts. This could be extended to all capital ships for this new destructible outpost.

Edit 2: to prevent storing of a large number of ships in the said outpost, you should limit the capacity of storage using the same mechanics as in carrier's ship hangar bays. And for the love of god, don't put medical facilities in these. And I wonder if you could use the I-hub code and slap some of the new things on top for the new outpost type to speed things up.

(on alt, steam is shiting the bed)

Feedback works both ways... CCP, how do you feel about the proposed null changes. I feel like meaningful change will come from an open and active back and forth. If everyone knows, noting is final, we're just exercising alternatives, you could limit the tears/rage. But not all of it, because the tears/rage will accompany any change.

That being said, I feel like the convo has to happen. I know that's the job of the CSM, but I want to participate myself.

Some of the idea's I want to hear someone in ccp comment on.

1) No 'sanctioned' sov, whoever lives there can say it's theirs.

2) Occupancy based sov. Whoever lives there/uses space owns it.

3) Nerf power projection/jump drives/jump bridges.

4)Missions for income.

5)Randomizing moon distribution/ moon resources 'deplete'

6) No structure grinding.

7) Nerf/eliminate supers./ Nerf carriers.

And not long after, you lost two dreads AFTER you kicked the goons out. What happened?