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CPP should do something for GalMil achievement

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#101 - 2014-09-18 23:35:37 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:


I mean pvp fighting for occupancy - like Crosi does.


Occupancy has to do with vp. Crosi could get all those kills and nothing would necessarily change regarding occupancy. He could get that many kills and not even be in a militia.

X Gallentius wrote:


Hey look, if you don't want pvp and you don't want to fight for occupancy then by all means keep whining nonstop. Go somewhere that you can farm to your heart's content and let the professionals like us take the warzone through pvp.


What I am saying are just the facts. It is the rules of the game and the facts regarding who is actually capturing the most plexes for their militia. If you think my posting these facts is whining, that is your problem.

As far as winning through pvp. There was some pvp, no doubt. But as you admit your alt captured more plexes than your main. Do you want to post your alts name so we can see his killboard for that time? The people I posted were the players that captured the most plexes for their militias on September 17th 2014. So yeah any reasonable person can look at their killboards for that day and decide for themselves how much pvp is involved in the occupancy war.

I think going forward you have three choices:
1. Admit your wrong,
2. Put your Occupancy Warfare theories to the test win the Occupancy War with your alt army, or
3. Keep yammering away on the forums.

Surely there must be a Caldari sponsor out there who would love to hire you as an Occupancy Warfare General (Think Hannibal of Carthage for example) who will inspire an alt army of Caldari plexers to take back the warzone and liberate Eagle Rise from those evil Gallente.



While you were busy looking up everyones killboard did you look at the killboards of those players who captured the most plexes of anyone in faction war on 9/17/14? If so what was their killboard like for that day? If I really wanted to gain the most for my militia in the occupancy that is what I, and anyone else would do. But its not fun.

It's not an issue of figuring out a strategy. It's a issue of having better things to do than trying to convince lots of people they should get alt accounts to orbit buttons day and night. Like you. I have had alts plexing and they were very effective. You have had alts plexing and they were very effective. We all know it is effective.

So why keep up the charade? Unless people are completely new to faction war they know how most plexes are captured.

But by all means keep yammering away how plexing is most effectively done as a pvp activity when all the data, even your own, contradicts that.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#102 - 2014-09-18 23:48:12 UTC
Cearain wrote:

While you were busy looking up everyones killboard did you look at the killboards of those players who captured the most plexes of anyone in faction war on 9/17/14? If so what was their killboard like for that day? If I really wanted to gain the most for my militia in the occupancy that is what I, and anyone else would do. But its not fun.
My side was able to win FW AND get massive amounts of pvp. Sounds like we know how to play this game better than you, doesn't it?



Drigo Segvian
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#103 - 2014-09-19 03:38:07 UTC
Where is the medal ? Roll
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#104 - 2014-09-19 04:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Drigo Segvian wrote:
Where is the medal ? Roll


Parrently Fozzie said we dont get one because BNANA didnt win the alliance tourny. Which, clearly means, we are getting a medal as they would never have dared bring up the subject otherwise! If that was the real criteria, we would have put our best alliance in the event rather than our worst!!! Since we had important things going on at the time BNANA was really all we could spare :)

Also, cearain, you are terrible at eve, why expand on that by being a terrible troll on the forums too?
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2014-09-19 11:15:23 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Drigo Segvian wrote:
Where is the medal ? Roll


Parrently Fozzie said we dont get one because BNANA didnt win the alliance tourny. Which, clearly means, we are getting a medal as they would never have dared bring up the subject otherwise! If that was the real criteria, we would have put our best alliance in the event rather than our worst!!! Since we had important things going on at the time BNANA was really all we could spare :)

Also, cearain, you are terrible at eve, why expand on that by being a terrible troll on the forums too?


Wha...wha...WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!?!?!?!

Sure, having EG as our team captain didn´t help.
And having Zeratha doing our fittings didn´t help either.

But we´re not the worst alliance in Gallente FW! There are still these new kids on the block...Cowboy Bebop? Something like that...

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#106 - 2014-09-19 11:59:20 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Drigo Segvian wrote:
Where is the medal ? Roll


Parrently Fozzie said we dont get one because BNANA didnt win the alliance tourny. Which, clearly means, we are getting a medal as they would never have dared bring up the subject otherwise! If that was the real criteria, we would have put our best alliance in the event rather than our worst!!! Since we had important things going on at the time BNANA was really all we could spare :)

Also, cearain, you are terrible at eve, why expand on that by being a terrible troll on the forums too?


Wha...wha...WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!?!?!?!

Sure, having EG as our team captain didn´t help.
And having Zeratha doing our fittings didn´t help either.

But we´re not the worst alliance in Gallente FW! There are still these new kids on the block...Cowboy Bebop? Something like that...


I meant worst 'at the time' :p

Point taken though.
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2014-09-19 12:19:24 UTC
Big smile

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com

Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2014-09-19 13:16:19 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Charlie Firpol wrote:

Wha...wha...WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!?!?!?!

Sure, having EG as our team captain didn´t help.
And having Zeratha doing our fittings didn´t help either.

But we´re not the worst alliance in Gallente FW! There are still these new kids on the block...Cowboy Bebop? Something like that...


I meant worst 'at the time' :p

Point taken though.

HEY! Not our fault the AT rules are so unfairly biased against us. How are we supposed to be able to compete when we can only field 3 Atrons?

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#109 - 2014-09-19 17:09:57 UTC
Jo TwoTimes wrote:
What Galmil did by conquering the whole WarZone is impressive, and it should be recognized by CPP: the best thing you can do in a sandbox game is when you leave a persistent trace in the world.


Galmil?

Frankly....

Frankly.....

Frankly ....

I'm sorry but FW is what ex- mission runners do if they want to continue shooting little red crosses and PRETEND that they are actually PVP'ing.

Galmil "out plexed" Calmil. ooohhhhh... like that is going to matter to anyone who actually plays the game for real.

Sheesh. If they make a monument for galmil it would be an insult to players who ACTUALLY play EVE. If they do it and it can be destroyed then I promise to come with a *real* fleet and shoot the muthah fuckah down!

T-
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#110 - 2014-09-19 17:27:47 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
stuff

Troll-

fyp

Now if you'll excuse me, and all the other FW dudes, we have to get back to salving our broken e-peens because we washed out of level 4s. P

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#111 - 2014-09-19 17:45:03 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
I got my freighter/forum alts providence ganked in low sec sec, thats how a real pvper rolls


We can only aspire to your greatness!
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#112 - 2014-09-20 08:08:18 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
I got my freighter/forum alts providence ganked in low sec sec, thats how a real pvper rolls


We can only aspire to your greatness!


LOL.... well... I guess I had that coming. I'm the world's worst troll. I'm fortunate I didn't get banned from the forums for it I guess.

About the freighter. Sad story. I moved it to the gate and I had a scout on the inside. When I was on the gate a couple of guys came in the system. I assume they had eyes on me. I decided to dock at the statoin in that system and take the stuff in with a cloaky hauler..... but I mis-clicked and instead of docking I jumped.

The rest is on the killboard. :/

Now that I"m on the topic, I am acutally curious about faction warfare. The impression I have from the very little exposure I've had to it is that it's about plexing and seems to have a strong element of role play. Is that right?

T-
Terhiss
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#113 - 2014-09-20 11:47:55 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:


I'm sorry but FW is what ex- mission runners do if they want to continue shooting little red crosses and PRETEND that they are actually PVP'ing.

...

Now that I"m on the topic, I am acutally curious about faction warfare. The impression I have from the very little exposure I've had to it is that it's about plexing and seems to have a strong element of role play. Is that right?

T-



coherence. you dont have it.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#114 - 2014-09-20 15:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:

While you were busy looking up everyones killboard did you look at the killboards of those players who captured the most plexes of anyone in faction war on 9/17/14? If so what was their killboard like for that day? If I really wanted to gain the most for my militia in the occupancy that is what I, and anyone else would do. But its not fun.
My side was able to win FW AND get massive amounts of pvp. Sounds like we know how to play this game better than you, doesn't it?




Ok so it seems for being a "won" war your side is still losing systems. So since you had all systems on whatever date that was, your side is now losing the faction war occupancy game.

Now when Caldari was losing the occupancy war your side claimed it was due to things like lack of organization, and poor strategy even that they were not not mentally tough. Do you now think they have better organization than you and better strategy than your side? Are they now mentally tougher than you? Or does that only apply when Caldari are losing systems and not when your side is losing systems?

Or more likely:

1) You want them back in the game because other wise the rvb style pvp isn't as good. Sort of like people talking about flipping your own system before the tier system change.

or

2) It's really not all that much fun after all and everyone is sort of sick of plexing.

What do you think the reason is for the gallente losing faction war occupancy recently?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Drigo Segvian
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#115 - 2014-09-20 16:27:03 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:

While you were busy looking up everyones killboard did you look at the killboards of those players who captured the most plexes of anyone in faction war on 9/17/14? If so what was their killboard like for that day? If I really wanted to gain the most for my militia in the occupancy that is what I, and anyone else would do. But its not fun.
My side was able to win FW AND get massive amounts of pvp. Sounds like we know how to play this game better than you, doesn't it?




Ok so it seems for being a "won" war your side is still losing systems. So since you had all systems on whatever date that was, your side is now losing the faction war occupancy game.

Now when Caldari was losing the occupancy war your side claimed it was due to things like lack of organization, and poor strategy even that they were not not mentally tough. Do you now think they have better organization than you and better strategy than your side? Are they now mentally tougher than you? Or does that only apply when Caldari are losing systems and not when your side is losing systems?

Or more likely:

1) You want them back in the game because other wise the rvb style pvp isn't as good. Sort of like people talking about flipping your own system before the tier system change.

or

2) It's really not all that much fun after all and everyone is sort of sick of plexing.

What do you think the reason is for the gallente losing faction war occupancy recently?



Funny you are so interested in what happens in FW. Must be boring where you are. Roll

But you sure fast to poopoo FW
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#116 - 2014-09-20 16:31:23 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:

While you were busy looking up everyones killboard did you look at the killboards of those players who captured the most plexes of anyone in faction war on 9/17/14? If so what was their killboard like for that day? If I really wanted to gain the most for my militia in the occupancy that is what I, and anyone else would do. But its not fun.
My side was able to win FW AND get massive amounts of pvp. Sounds like we know how to play this game better than you, doesn't it?




Ok so it seems for being a "won" war your side is still losing systems. So since you had all systems on whatever date that was, your side is now losing the faction war occupancy game.

Now when Caldari was losing the occupancy war your side claimed it was due to things like lack of organization, and poor strategy even that they were not not mentally tough. Do you now think they have better organization than you and better strategy than your side? Are they now mentally tougher than you? Or does that only apply when Caldari are losing systems and not when your side is losing systems?

Or more likely:

1) You want them back in the game because other wise the rvb style pvp isn't as good. Sort of like people talking about flipping your own system before the tier system change.

or

2) It's really not all that much fun after all and everyone is sort of sick of plexing.

What do you think the reason is for the gallente losing faction war occupancy recently?

Can't give anybody credit can you? Can't give us credit for taking warzone. Can't give Caldari credit for putting in the effort to take some of it back.

This is why you're an armchair internet spaceship General, and not an real internet spaceship General.




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#117 - 2014-09-20 18:47:43 UTC
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#118 - 2014-09-20 19:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Cearain wrote:
I have no interest in fact or what anyone is telling me, im just going to make ignorant assertions from the comfort of my station 18 jumps away.


Caldari are putting more effort in, have had a surge in active organised members and are using a non focussed offensive to take systems back. This is the correct strategy for them at this time since there are so many viable targets for them. As they push further in to the warzone, expect gallente activity levels to increase as we are fighting closer to our homes.

I know you enjoy your misconceptions since they afford you a way to avoid feeling inadequate since 'its the game thats broken, not the way you play it''. Feel free to nurse that delusion in private, but shamelessly stonewalling all facts, opinions and observations from FAR more experienced players on a public forum really just makes you look silly.

You dont have one good idea relevant to the current iteration of FW, and beyond your bad ideas all you do is whine. I effortlessly brainfarted a solution to the d-plexing ats that would remove them from relevance just like CCP did to the o-plexing alts a while back. Even if that happened im sure you would still be here whining about 'rabbit farmers' (whatever they are).

Simple fact is you cannot make someone take a fight, just because they run away, doesnt make them an evasion farmer, they may just not have wanted the fight. The solution to that is as old as eve. You make them think they want to take the fight, or you give them no choice one way or the other.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#119 - 2014-09-20 21:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:

While you were busy looking up everyones killboard did you look at the killboards of those players who captured the most plexes of anyone in faction war on 9/17/14? If so what was their killboard like for that day? If I really wanted to gain the most for my militia in the occupancy that is what I, and anyone else would do. But its not fun.
My side was able to win FW AND get massive amounts of pvp. Sounds like we know how to play this game better than you, doesn't it?




Ok so it seems for being a "won" war your side is still losing systems. So since you had all systems on whatever date that was, your side is now losing the faction war occupancy game.

Now when Caldari was losing the occupancy war your side claimed it was due to things like lack of organization, and poor strategy even that they were not not mentally tough. Do you now think they have better organization than you and better strategy than your side? Are they now mentally tougher than you? Or does that only apply when Caldari are losing systems and not when your side is losing systems?

Or more likely:

1) You want them back in the game because other wise the rvb style pvp isn't as good. Sort of like people talking about flipping your own system before the tier system change.

or

2) It's really not all that much fun after all and everyone is sort of sick of plexing.

What do you think the reason is for the gallente losing faction war occupancy recently?

Can't give anybody credit can you? Can't give us credit for taking warzone. Can't give Caldari credit for putting in the effort to take some of it back.

This is why you're an armchair internet spaceship General, and not an real internet spaceship General.




I just want to see if you have a double standard. Do the Caldari have better strategies, better organization and more mental toughness than your side? Or do those traits only win the occupancy war when it's your side that is winning?


Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Caldari are putting more effort in, have had a surge in active organised members and are using a non focussed offensive to take systems back. This is the correct strategy for them at this time since there are so many viable targets for them. ..


This is interesting. "Non focused offensive" is the winning way. If I didn't know better that might be code for gallente not bothering to defensive plex so many random o-plexers.

Of course, they had all those targets leading up to the gallente sweep of all systems. Was Caldari leadership unaware of this tactic? Or did they just not have that many people who cared?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#120 - 2014-09-20 21:38:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:


I just want to see if you have a double standard. Do the Caldari have better strategies, better organization and more mental toughness than your side? Or do those traits only win the occupancy war when it's your side that is winning?


Of course, they had all those targets leading up to the gallente sweep of all systems. Was Caldari leadership unaware of this tactic? Or did they just not have that many people who cared?



They've had a fresh injection from pasta which has lifted squid spirits. I'm not sure if ur familiar with these guys seeing as you don't play eve and just troll a forum but these guys are more organized than ur average squid and from there null sec days are used to grind-fests.

They also came in after the campaign when most gals are burnt out but you'll see as they nearer home systems the burnt gals will be refreshed and form up.
You have to remember Squids have yet to take anything of importance just backwaters so they haven't dented any morale.
A successful Campaign starts with the easy backwaters then as ur side gains morale from the easy systems, u move onto home systems displacing the enemy and crushing their morale at the same time forcing them all back to 1 or 2 places then they either fight to the death or do as cals did and just don't show up for the last few cos their evacuating .