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While I was not on for this, it has come to my attention one of our corp members has been perma banned.
With CCP flip flopping over everything I would like an opinion from the elected CSM members. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CYNO BUMPING.

The simple question is, Is this titan fair game to bump?
http://clip2net.com/s/iTZKyX

The nose is clearly out of the pos and doing 0ms.

It was then bumped (by the part out of the shields) out with tornados and killed.

CCP has since returned the titan and permabanned one of our pilots.

If there is a rule about ships out of shields, I would like to see it.
If CCP's logs show something (for the first time ever) outside of my understanding of the events, I would like the CSM to be notified of what they show and posted here.

This way we all have a better understanding of what the CCP rules are (for today) on this issue.

Gfy "goofy"
Soul Takers CEO

After some thought (and sleep), I came up with another possibility leading to another question. Is it possible that the titan could have bounced the high velocity tornado through the pos shields after one of the bumps? How would that be read by the logs? I would then argue that a player/ship with proper permissions caused a player without to enter the POS in a circumstance out of his control.

It may seem like I am reaching here but we simply do not understand why this was not a fair bump.

UPDATE EDIT: The player was notified that if the ship is not lockable then it is in the POS. Can someone please show me the rule, post, etc. that states this?

Final EDIT: Reduced to 30 day ban, then 7 day ban. CCP reply page 8.

The rules have been notoriously unclear regarding this, with most members believing partially exposed titans being fair game. I have seen several players requesting CCP to make an additional post to clear the situation out, but I have not seen any official responses. To get permabanned in this manner, under these circumstances, must be an error, and I hope the situation can be resolved happily.

The part bumped wasn't inside the forcefield and was able to be interacted with, multiple titans have been killed by this method due to going too far out of the shield and being bumped further, this is completely different to what you're referring to where titans were being bumped while fully inside

A perma ban for this and the reimbursement of a titan lost due to the pilots mistake is crazy.

The playerbase have been roaring over the POS bumping issue as a potential exploit for weeks with no response from CCP.

For some reason you've now decided to address it, badly.

Instead of acknowledging that there was an issue - and that ignoring it was an error - you've chosen to perma-ban someone who was likely acting in good faith based on current mechanics. If you are going to mix this kill in with the other (two?) TitanPosBumped kills when it is clearly not in the same bracket, I'd like to see the list of other people perma-banned.

You don't have to accept eyewitness accounts, or 3rd party vids, but you could engage a shred of common sense and a bit of decency when dealing with these issues. Seriously, this is a grossly unfair punishment directed at the wrong individual(s).

Please stop retrospectively permabanning people for flawed gameplay mechanics which are strenuously reported - then ignored.

In regard to this particular thread Nulli seems to have taken this issue and went on a parade with this. It is a bit of an insult that they go out in public and wave around their new titan. The link to their thread . It is of course in Japanese. You will need to translate that of course.

it all depends how CCP defines "inside the forcefield". Is it "you can not lock it" = inside? Ship center inside = inside? Everything inside = inside? I don't know.

I only posted what i think was the last official GM response on the topic.

Do the GM's even play this game and understand how it works?

How can one pilot receive a perma ban for what has been regarded as a legitimate tactic for the longest time, when the pilots performing the actual exploit elsewhere walk away unpunished?

Pretty sloppy work from the GM team at the very least.

It doesn't fit within the spirit of the "sandbox" style of this game for a ship that has several KM sticking out of a force field to be not bumpable. If the player in question had of used some sort of hack or had even been within the forcefield like they said maybe I would feel different.

Also to permanently ban someone that has spent years training a character over a rule that is not well known or known at all is outrageous.

When and where was the public announcement made that this was an exploit and would result in a ban?

Please reconsider and revoke the ban on Aglon's account, extremely harsh and seems to have come out the blue.

I have now had 4 groups of people we shoot at regularly (people with a legit interest in there being one less of us) convo me to say aglon got an unfair deal- fix this CCP.