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Stormcrows: Killers of 2034 Slaves

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#281 - 2014-09-19 12:45:30 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Perhaps there is a silver lining to this affair in that horror and terror regarding my deeds has been spread far and wide along with the surviving slaves.

Somewhere, a filthy Minmatar subhuman child sees a mutilated slave and hears this was done by a man who believes God has given the Minmatar over to destruction. Now she is scared, wondering whether she is going to end up like that mutilated slave. God is glorified in her fear, and I take pleasure in it.


You don't really know us Matari well. That kid? She's going to do a few things. She's going to enlist, arm herself and fight to prevent others from suffering as she did. She's going to learn to command a ship. Perchance she might even become a capsuleer with a grudge against you. Or she might work in the foundries, to build weapons and other hardware which will be used against you.

I suggest you remember their names. One day you might see them again, this time out for your blood.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#282 - 2014-09-19 12:54:42 UTC
Hoshi Karasawa wrote:
I can assure people who may be concerned about where the former slaves have gone, that they decided for themselves where they wanted to go.

Some wanted to go with Ms Ymladris, some wanted to go to the Republic, and so I contacted Ms Rella about that.

I did not, and do not believe that I should decide their fates. I simply told them their options, and let them choose.

People should be able to decide their own fates. These people have this freedom, among others.

Thank you.

Well, I guess your reply solves the question I have raised up about what they did want themselves, Ms. Karasawa. Thank you.
However, there are still two points, causing concern.
First: is your contact in the Republic.
And second: that we are still at the war with the Republic.

Do you think they will distinguish between Mr. Nauplius and other holders? Can you imagine, how the Republic will use their experience? Or what they can be convinced into...

And then they will return with eyes, filled with anger, and with bombs strapped to their chests.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Hoshi Karasawa
Karasawa Heavy Engineering
#283 - 2014-09-19 13:02:31 UTC
Do you remember, Ms Kim, why our honoured ancestors had to leave Caldari Prime?

Why the honoured Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba made his heroic sacrifice?

Because we were not allowed the freedom to choose our own fates.

I will not dishonour the sacrifices of our ancestors by denying someone else the freedom to choose.

"Yahy har jar and a botrle od rum" - Pepper Swift

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#284 - 2014-09-19 13:14:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Wait, so now I'm a known terrorist?

When was someone going to tell me??

Ms. Siikanen...
There wasn't YOUR name mentioned in the report, neither I called out you in particular.
And your sudden outburst out of blue with your association with terrorists is quite alarming.

However, whether you yourself are a terrorist or not, the Winds will reveal to us only in the Future.


The first lot of rescued were turned over to me, Diana.

It was a reasonable conclusion for me to draw.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#285 - 2014-09-19 18:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Diana Kim wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
We really don't need another slavery conversation here. This **** hasn't been about slavery, it's been about one awful monster doing horrible things to people. No matter where those slaves eventually go, anywhere is better than in the Slave Butcher's hands. Some of them remain with the Empire, some have gone to Gradient and the Republic, and some to Aurora. All of those are better than where they just were. What matters in this situation is that they be given the comfort and care needed in consideration of the trauma they've been through. Their legal status is probably the last thing on their minds right now.

Please excuse me, Ms. Kernher, but I can't agree with everything you have said.
Of course, removing peoples from the reach of Mr. Nauplius was indeed good for them (if we forget about those, who have died, of course). But we were discussing what happened with them after this.
And I cannot agree that anywhere they will end would be actually be better than just leaving them to be tortured by Mr. Nauplius or killed in a shipwreck by someone, who fights against Mr. Nauplius.
For example, this transaction of them into Republic looks for me as putting them out of the frying pan into the fire.

My idea, that I was defending, was that they all should have been transferred to Amarr Empire authorities for them to decide their fate.


It looks like that, to you. You have neither been a slave, nor lived in the Republic. I can tell you exactly what the lives of those slaves who get sent to the Republic is, since I have experience with it: They're going to cluster around other former slave communities in rust districts while waiting for social services to give them work. They'll have free access to residence, food, and healthcare, including the psychiatric support a lot of them are going to need. In effect they'll be living exactly like the ones who are staying in the Empire: waiting to be told what to do while their needs are provided for by the government.

So no, it really doesn't matter where they get sent. Both will be infinitely better than where they've just been.


And they were transferred out of Amarr authorities the moment they were put up for sale on the SCC. Frankly, if any Holder is so faithless to put their slaves on that market, where they can fall into the hands of monsters like the Butcher, then those slaves should be filed as emancipated. It's clear that those Holders think their slaves' service to God and Empire is complete or they wouldn't be ignoring Scripture to sell them to commoners and foreigners in public open markets.

That's the fact of the matter: None of those slaves are legally owned by anyone anymore. You can't take them to the authorities and get them sorted, because there is no one to sort them to.

You know what the authorites actually need to do? What they need to do is get this kind of behavior stopped in the first place. The MIO and the TC need to audit the Civic Court and the Kingdom should be Reclaimed, by word or sword or whatever it takes. And any Holder who sells their slaves into the hands of non-Holders should have their titles stripped and their own lines enslaved, just like the Refusards. Every one who has ever done that has blasphemed against the sacred responsibilities they were supposed to uphold.

There's so many blatant heresies going on; that's what the authorities need to be focusing on. The Civic Court, the Kingdom, the 24IC, they all need to have their corruptions purged so that **** like this stops happening.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#286 - 2014-09-19 18:40:15 UTC
Good grief, that post started so well and I was practically clapping before it turned into authoritarian warmongering zealotry. This right here is what makes the Empire and their loyalists bloody scary, even to allies.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#287 - 2014-09-19 18:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Diana Kim wrote:
They should have been returned to the Empire. Ms. Ymladris, you have been committed a grave mistake, giving them into hands of a half-wit person.
I would avoid transfer of any slaves or other property towards Republic, since the Republic is currently hostile to the State. Giving them anything can be considered as support of an enemy, and such action can be interpreted as a treason.
At least, if there is an undeniable need to transfer something to the Republic, please consult the Empire officials first (since said slaves could be property or citizens of the Empire), and... well, please work with Republic officials as well, not a random criminal, who, taking in account her history, could easily turn these slaves into terrorists to attack the State or the Empire.


The rescued slaves that choose the Aurora Arcology project as their new home will live in the State as that is where the Arcology is located. Once recovered, they'll be offered a job within the Arcology project. Acceptance of this employee contracts makes them eligible to become State Citizens should they choose to pursue this venue.

On consulting the empire officals, this is already happened & is the base of the Aurora Arcology slave policy: Any slave found to be property of a legitimate Holder or higher ranking offical will be returned to their master. All other slaves will recieve guidance and, if needed, transported to more suitable organisations.
Legitimate Holders & higher officals are those Holders & officals who live in Ammar, Ammatar & Khanid space & are registrated as such by the authorities.

Nauplius, being capsuleer & 'Red God' - worshipper fails to qualify in this, hence his slaves are eligible for freedom & stay at the Arcology without repercussions from the Empire.

Edit: corrected the incorrect use of a word.... People are living beings! Not things! This was a genuine mistake!

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#288 - 2014-09-19 19:18:56 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
...

On consulting the empire officals, this is already happened & is the base of the Aurora Arcology slave policy: Any slave found to be property of a legitimate Holder or higher ranking offical will be returned to its master. All other slaves will recieve guidance and, if needed, transported to more suitable organisations.

....


Their.

Their master. His or her master.

Slaves are not a ******* it.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#289 - 2014-09-19 19:21:00 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Good grief, that post started so well and I was practically clapping before it turned into authoritarian warmongering zealotry. This right here is what makes the Empire and their loyalists bloody scary, even to allies.


I am confused. Would you rather the Amarr authorities turn a blind eye to law-breaking and allow it to continue rather than apply the laws in place, as prescribed by Scripture, and the appropriate penalties prescribed? Please note it is Amarr law and scripture that governs First Lieutenant Samira Kernher's comments.

If not, how would you persuade the law breakers to cease their illegal practices? A post on the IGS denouncing them?
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#290 - 2014-09-19 19:22:19 UTC
That's the problem, Ms. Aspenstar. It's not law-breaking. It's perfectly ******* legal even though it shouldn't be.

That's the problem.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#291 - 2014-09-19 19:30:35 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Good grief, that post started so well and I was practically clapping before it turned into authoritarian warmongering zealotry. This right here is what makes the Empire and their loyalists bloody scary, even to allies.


I am confused. Would you rather the Amarr authorities turn a blind eye to law-breaking and allow it to continue rather than apply the laws in place, as prescribed by Scripture, and the appropriate penalties prescribed? Please note it is Amarr law and scripture that governs First Lieutenant Samira Kernher's comments.

If not, how would you persuade the law breakers to cease their illegal practices? A post on the IGS denouncing them?


I don't know the laws in question, on either the Empire or Kingdom side of things, but enforcing the laws and morality of the Empire on the Kingdom by means of war if necessary? That's a scary step to take. Who will be next then? The Republic? The Federation? Your allies?

@Sam

Pretty sure any owned commodity or property can quite justifiably be called an it. I'd take a look at the issues with ownership of other human beings before I'd start getting angry about the grammar applied.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Anslo
Scope Works
#292 - 2014-09-19 19:46:49 UTC
The more Jinari talks, the more I start to warm up to Amarr.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#293 - 2014-09-19 20:36:39 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
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Their.

Their master. His or her master.

Slaves are not a ******* it.


Thank you for pointing out this shameful error on my part.... Corrected it at once! And indeed, slaves are people! Not things!

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#294 - 2014-09-19 21:04:57 UTC
Anslo wrote:
The more Jinari talks, the more I start to warm up to Amarr.


And that's why the Scope must be de..aahahahahaah... oh I couldn't even get that far with a straight face.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#295 - 2014-09-20 00:09:49 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
[
Their.

Their master. His or her master.

Slaves are not a ******* it.


Thank you for pointing out this shameful error on my part.... Corrected it at once! And indeed, slaves are people! Not things!


You were right the first time.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#296 - 2014-09-20 05:21:44 UTC
Question: If I were to walk to the orchard on a clear morning to pick fruit and I returned to my kitchen with 4 pieces of delicious ripe fruit? ... how then do I devour 5?

To speak to the slaver is to banter like this. I pray for the dead.

otto out
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#297 - 2014-09-20 10:54:37 UTC
Hoshi Karasawa wrote:
Do you remember, Ms Kim, why our honoured ancestors had to leave Caldari Prime?

Why the honoured Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba made his heroic sacrifice?

Because we were not allowed the freedom to choose our own fates.

I will not dishonour the sacrifices of our ancestors by denying someone else the freedom to choose.

Ms. Karasawa, with all due respect, I would like to remind you, that they were fighting for what is ours. They were fighting for their homes, their corprations and their colonies, for their families and their assets. They were fighting for our culture and our independence, for preservance of our ideals and bloodlines.

The word you have used, the freedom, is dishonor.
The freedom, is what gallenteans teach us, as "good" side. If you will fight against gallenteans for "freedom", they have already won. The freedom is this chaos, that destroys societies, corporations and human lives. It is a reign of corruption, degradation, chaos and criminality.

Caldari people don't choose freedom. Caldari people choose loyalty and devotion.

We fight to not "have freedom to choose",
we fight to stand firm on what we have chosen.


Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#298 - 2014-09-20 11:24:11 UTC
Liutenant Samira Kernher,

I, indeed, never been a slave, nor lived in the Republic, and what I have thought would be better for these peoples are just my feels and thoughts, taken from my point of view, which is foreign both to you and them. It was my mistake to try to speak for these peoples, to understand them, so please accept my apologies.

For now, I will speak instead for myself, as a Strike Commander of Caldari State.

First, I would like to clarify, that from my point of view, your conflict with Mr. Nauplius is blue-on-blue, so, please excuse me, but I won't stand on either of sides in this conflict. But if you, or Mr. Nauplius, would need my help to fight against the Republic, you can count on me.

Then, what the Amarr Empire authorities need to do, is not for me to decide. I don't like slavery myself, and in the State it is prohibited at all. Thus question of treatment of slaves by Mr. Nauplius, Holders and non-Holders is not for me. I do not serve Theology Counsel, never read scriptures, and won't distinguish heresy from real faith, and it is simply not my business. The slavery is problem of the Empire, not the State. And all related questions I will leave for you to solve with the Empire, and not myself. What the Empire Authorities or Mr. Nauplius, or you will do with these slaves is not my concern...

But what does concern me, is transfer or resources (in this scenario, human resources, as a work power or potential military power) to hostile to both of us and you, and even Mr. Nauplius side - the Republic.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#299 - 2014-09-20 17:32:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Hoshi Karasawa wrote:
Do you remember, Ms Kim, why our honoured ancestors had to leave Caldari Prime?

Why the honoured Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba made his heroic sacrifice?

Because we were not allowed the freedom to choose our own fates.

I will not dishonour the sacrifices of our ancestors by denying someone else the freedom to choose.

Ms. Karasawa, with all due respect, I would like to remind you, that they were fighting for what is ours. They were fighting for their homes, their corprations and their colonies, for their families and their assets. They were fighting for our culture and our independence, for preservance of our ideals and bloodlines.

The word you have used, the freedom, is dishonor.
The freedom, is what gallenteans teach us, as "good" side. If you will fight against gallenteans for "freedom", they have already won. The freedom is this chaos, that destroys societies, corporations and human lives. It is a reign of corruption, degradation, chaos and criminality.

Caldari people don't choose freedom. Caldari people choose loyalty and devotion.

We fight to not "have freedom to choose",
we fight to stand firm on what we have chosen.




You delusional little whelp.

You would disparage the sacrifice of one of your greatest war heroes? The Admiral flew out, against orders, to buy time for the evacuation. There was no plan to retake Caldari Prime with his actions. He knew what would be the outcome. His sacrifice allowed so many to escape. By your own words and tone you would label him and all those you fled Caldari Prime as traitors and cowards.

And freedom is not a Gallente word, you trollish little imp. Freedom is an ideal, which has various meanings to everyone throughout the sector. Yes, the Federation uses 'Freedom' as a rallying point to why they are so great...yet the concept of freedom is not foreign to the Caldari...the freedom to not be enslaved...the freedom to not bow knee to another empire.

Perhaps you ought to do a little more thinking before firing half-cocked all the time? But that would be too much to hope for.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#300 - 2014-09-20 18:27:15 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

But what does concern me, is transfer or resources (in this scenario, human resources, as a work power or potential military power) to hostile to both of us and you, and even Mr. Nauplius side - the Republic.


I agree. PIE and In Exile are traitors for helping to transfer manpower to the Republic. They consider the soft, gentile treatment of slaves so important that they are willing to strengthen the Empire's enemies to advance it.