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Ishtar vs. Sansha
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#1 - 2014-09-20 05:06:29 UTC
I've seen a lot of fits for Ishtar's that claim the ability to run level 4's, DED sites, and so on, but they consistently appear to be geared towards Serpentis or other factions that don't do EM damage.

I'm not too concerned with level 4's, but I've been wondering about running combat sites. The Ishtar is used for those, but again the fits I see are for non-EM damage types.

So.. let's start with the basics. Is it possible to channel all this "Overpowered"ness of the Ishtar into high-sec *sansha* combat sites? (yes, i realize it wouldn't be able to access 1/10 and 2/10 sites, so we're talking 3/10 and 4/10).

Is there an alternate ship that would do the job more efficiently?

Profit favors the prepared
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#2 - 2014-09-20 05:14:16 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
I've seen a lot of fits for Ishtar's that claim the ability to run level 4's, DED sites, and so on, but they consistently appear to be geared towards Serpentis or other factions that don't do EM damage.

I'm not too concerned with level 4's, but I've been wondering about running combat sites. The Ishtar is used for those, but again the fits I see are for non-EM damage types.

So.. let's start with the basics. Is it possible to channel all this "Overpowered"ness of the Ishtar into high-sec *sansha* combat sites? (yes, i realize it wouldn't be able to access 1/10 and 2/10 sites, so we're talking 3/10 and 4/10).

Is there an alternate ship that would do the job more efficiently?


It will so over power 3/10 and 4/10 it won't even be funny. Obviously a shield tanked will devote more slots to tank to fill that gapping EM so armor may be more preferable. Either way, it will decimate them.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#3 - 2014-09-20 05:17:41 UTC
As for other ships, The gila would probably be a bit faster, especially on the 3/10 and will have no problem doing either site. The medium drones combined with light missiles will make quick work of everything you'll come across.
John Henke
Schweine im Weltall GmbH
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#4 - 2014-09-20 08:55:11 UTC
I use this fitting for sansha Sites in highsec:

[Explorer Sansha]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II,Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II,Tracking Speed Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Core Probe Launcher I,Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Small Tractor Beam II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#5 - 2014-09-20 16:37:41 UTC
Thank you for the replies. Just trying to make the Ishtar work instead of training for yet another ship.

Profit favors the prepared
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-09-20 19:35:09 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Thank you for the replies. Just trying to make the Ishtar work instead of training for yet another ship.


You won't have to "make it work"; pretty much any HAC will pass through any 3/10's and 4/10's. Fairly certain I used to use a Jaguar for hi sec sites.

Basically shield tank it and plug the resist hole or Armor tank it and don't have a hole to plug (lose dps mods though - which can honestly be made up in the mids). It's an ishtard for crying out loud.
unslaught
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-09-22 12:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: unslaught
ishtar for sansha

lows: damage control, 4x drone dmg amp
mids: 10mn ab, large shield booster, invul, em hardener, tracking comp
highs: drone link, 1 railgun (for aggro management)
rigs: 2x t2 ccc

drone bay: acolyteII x5, warriorII x5, ecm 300x 5, curatorIIx5, praetorII x5

warrior and ecm for obvious reasons...


...this will do any and all sansha missions without any problems, just don't sit still when they come closer then 30km ;) ow yeah don't use ogreII's, they have non existent tracking and are so slow you can go and have dinner before they reach the target... and when they reach they don't hit for s...
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#8 - 2014-09-22 16:33:18 UTC
Well, Sansha is just a mere immortal while Ishtar is a goddess of war, love, and sex. He stands no chance.

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Austrene Kanenald
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-09-23 07:38:06 UTC
Uh..
Why not just put in amarr heavies.. tank for em and therm.. and test it?
Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-09-23 23:24:41 UTC
Austrene Kanenald wrote:
Uh..
Why not just put in amarr heavies.. tank for em and therm.. and test it?



Hi Sec sites quicker to use lights. Cause its 99% frigs.

Ishtar is only marginally faster than a vex....in hi sec sites that is.
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-09-25 09:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
It is actually a lot of overkill for 3/10 and 4/10 plexes, for L4s and bigger plexes you need a medium repper and have to drop down to FMPs(power grid issues). It should be able to kill nearly all frigs with a web and the guns, so you can use sentry or heavy drones vs Cruiser+ targets all the time, what speed thing up mostly. I also use a slightly modified version of it for Incs(800mm plate instead of a repper and different rigs ofc)

[Ishtar, Pulstar]
Centum B-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Corelum B-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Data Analyzer II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Energy Burst Aerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Garde II x5
Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

I also like the Legion/Zelaot for plexing, a bit slow in L4(compared to 1400+ dps BS) but doable. Especially for sites with lots of frigs in it the high tracking/range of of this hulls produces faster results than playing scoop/redeploy games with the drones and waiting for them to reach the targets.
Marc Durant
#12 - 2014-09-25 10:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc Durant
You can do high sec combat sites for Sansha and Bloodraider just with with a shield LSE fit Ishtar, not much different from a Serp fitted one apart from resists (obviously). Mostly because the trick to doing BR sites isn't to brute force them (you can't really brute force some of the BR sites), sansha sites are easy though.

Having an EHP fit is logical to use anyway because it makes you less of a gank target in case you fly around with valuable exploration loot and also because it doesn't require bling mods in the first place (which would make you even more of a gank target). Or to put it more directly; using lol bling fit cruisers in high sec, quite possibly with lots of bling loot on board, is dumb as hell. Especially so if the other option is hilariously cheap AND EHP based at the same time.


[Ishtar, BR]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II

Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Small Tractor Beam I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Curator II x5
Salvage Drone I x5

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-10-05 22:02:17 UTC
Launch 2 geckos and 3 lights and fly around to avoid damage. I hotkey my drone return to bay to 'T' if they start taking to much damage, sansha can be hard on drones. Fill in the rest of the drone bay with what you want.

Test server, try a few fits out.


[Ishtar, xxx]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Large Shield Extender II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

125mm Gatling AutoCannon I, Nuclear S
Drone Link Augmentor II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II


Garde II x5
Gecko x2
Acolyte II x5
Optimal Range Script x1
Tracking Speed Script x1
Noferatu
Academy of Arms Distribution and Manufacturing
#14 - 2014-10-06 23:24:20 UTC
Marc Durant wrote:
You can do high sec combat sites for Sansha and Bloodraider just with with a shield LSE fit Ishtar, not much different from a Serp fitted one apart from resists (obviously). Mostly because the trick to doing BR sites isn't to brute force them (you can't really brute force some of the BR sites), sansha sites are easy though.

Having an EHP fit is logical to use anyway because it makes you less of a gank target in case you fly around with valuable exploration loot and also because it doesn't require bling mods in the first place (which would make you even more of a gank target). Or to put it more directly; using lol bling fit cruisers in high sec, quite possibly with lots of bling loot on board, is dumb as hell. Especially so if the other option is hilariously cheap AND EHP based at the same time.


[Ishtar, BR]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II

Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Small Tractor Beam I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Curator II x5
Salvage Drone I x5



..a six-slot tank plus tanking rigs? On an Ishtar? Seriously? Shocked

If you're planning on hisec exploration, I'd recommend Blood Raiders rather than Sansha. Apart from the huge (mostly empty) regions to wander round, the 3/10 plex (Blood Raider Intelligence Collection Point) is all frigates and can be tanked with a SAR. And the frequently generous Mul-Zatah Monastery 4/10 plex is a doddle in a 'tar because it can be sniped with an equally tiny tank. You'll need a MAR and extra tank for the Blood Watch or Vigil though.

[Ishtar, Blood Explore]
Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Salvager II
150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Curator II x5

This cap-stable fit can snipe to 100km or motor around a Blood Watch with impunity - but stay clear of NOSsers and primary them. Take a Mobile Depot and swap two DDA's for a DCU and a faction EANM for the Vigil. It's a tight fit, and if you don't have the skills then drop the railgun. But this is what I used for many (highly profitable) months tooling around Genesis, Kor Azor and Kador. Many Corpum C-type EANMs were looted Cool
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-10-07 08:21:25 UTC
As i keep saying just dont take your fit is set in stone, a blood vigil can be completed in a 2 LSE II buffer tanked stratios with no other tank mods, adapt to your playstyle, environment and "desired" entertainment (some would consider getting away from the initial group with 20% shields a fail and too exciting).
Xan Pendragon
Transcendere
#16 - 2014-10-16 23:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Xan Pendragon
Maybe a bit late to this but I've just moved on from combat sites to run L4 in a shield tank Ishtar and so far I'm not facing any major problems, not even with Sansha. In Mids: adaptive invulnerability 2, 2 x F-S9 Regolith, a 1x racial hardener (in this case, EM Ward Field 2). In addition, for L4's, I've got 2 x medium anti-EM screens in rig slot. Drones: Garde 2, Federation Navy Ogres and a second set of racial specific sentries (Curators in this case). The FNO's track better than Ogre 2 and will kill any frigates (all it takes is one decent hit from any of the five - with 737 dps from my skill set)

The approach is MWD away, drop sentries .... If anything gets too close, use the ogres while you make distance. Same in combat sites, though you can get someone who drops in with, say a Deimos, and gets to the faction loot before you do, but with a mobile tractor unit this doesn't happen too often.

Forgot, Damage Control 2 in low.

UPDATE: By switching one EM rig for an overclocking unit, can replace the F-S9 with Large Shield Extenders 2. With an EM hardener (plus those mentioned above) this gives me 44k EHP against Sansha.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#17 - 2014-10-18 16:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mysa
[Ishtar, whatever combat sites]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

100MN Afterburner II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Gist A/B-Type EM/THM/EXP Ward Field
Large Shield Extender II

Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sister Core Scanner Probe I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

8 heavy
9 medium
9 small
Hornet EC-300 x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x3

Just swap drones and shield A/B-type hardener for whatever faction you wanna leech. Return to high sec when your cargo is full of stuffs! Also bring mobile depot and switch to 10mn mwd and nanos for dda's when moving systems.. Basic enough? Will do any 3-8/10 combat site ingame

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#18 - 2014-10-18 17:55:01 UTC
Mysa wrote:
[Ishtar, whatever combat sites]
any 3-8/10 combat site ingame

Wrong. There are many sites which cannot be done with this fit.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#19 - 2014-10-19 10:20:57 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Mysa wrote:
[Ishtar, whatever combat sites]
any 3-8/10 combat site ingame

Wrong. There are many sites which cannot be done with this fit.


The stasis towers in all of the 8/10 ded's are the only issues you have. Once they or gone is just orbite at 60 and use lights to pop the elite frigs. the sansha prison camp is the hardest, if you can complete that the rest is easy

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#20 - 2014-10-19 19:58:43 UTC
I'm thinking more about:
Serpentis/Blood Raider 5/10: last room. how do you want to survive long enough without sentries?
Blood raider 6/10: Second-last room. You need sentries again to kill the T2 bs which are changing target to your drones VERY fast.
Serpentis 8/10 and 10/10 how do you want to break the tank of the station? 850dps+ arent enough. At the 10/10 you can go to 60km distance and use sentries, but this doesnt work at the 8/10 site.

I cant tell about the other pirate sites as i dont fly them.