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GamerGate Part 1: The Path We've Taken 9/28

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#81 - 2014-09-18 22:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Let me first state that I moved this thread here instead of taking the easy way and lock it when I found it, because I believe we do not live in splendid isolation. This topic is going to be debated and to a certain extend it concerns us, the EvE community, the EvE players, gamers in and of EvE. My thought was, we might as well debate about it among ourselves. Please, I implore you, do not make me regret this decision!

That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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colay Starwolf
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2014-09-18 23:40:32 UTC
thank you sir i made this because i think it should be talked about

EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game
colay Starwolf
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2014-09-19 19:35:15 UTC
updated op

EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-09-21 02:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sebastian N Cain
I didn't know about gamergate, because that isn't a thing of interest here in Germany. But after getting a cursory glance at it it's clear that those gamergate people and their supporters are the whiniest and most pathetic failures i have ever heard of.

Well, i guess if i could be bothered to think about it i would probably remember worse, i'm not new to the internet after all but seriously, how can anyone take these guys not just as a bunch of losers?

First of all hey take a irrelevant topic (friggin game reviews) and go apeshit about their quality. But not because big publishers are threatening to take their millions of dollars ad money somewhere else if the reviews aren't rigged for them... nooope, it's one unknown woman trading sex for good reviews on an unknown indie game that ruins game journalism. All his is about is that said woman had allegedly affairs with some people, none of whom had ever writen a review about her game. The only ones who would make a fuss out of this are either the pope, because disapproving of sex outside marriage comes with his job, or people without a sex life of their own, because of jealousy.

Then they go out of their way to find out adress and phone number and spend a ton of time formulating elaborate death threats to women that are affecting them exactly zero because that is the only way they can feel like they are competent and have a slice of power as opposed to their situation in their useless lives.

And when they are called out on that they whine about "beta-male indoktrination" and how there is a conspiracy against men in general and against them especially because they need someone else to blame for their failures, otherwise all hey had left is to face the fact that it is just their own ineptitude and their own stupid mistakes that are responsible for what became of them.
They are living a life of fear of others and of the truth about themselves and lashing out is the only response they are capable of.

Rather pitiful than deserving of scorn actually.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#85 - 2014-09-21 14:11:08 UTC
People that don't quite know what this is all about might want to read the summary of things in this article posted at Forbes.

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colay Starwolf
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#86 - 2014-09-21 16:40:46 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
People that don't quite know what this is all about might want to read the summary of things in this article posted at Forbes.



thanks added to op

EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2014-09-23 02:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Abrazzar wrote:
People that don't quite know what this is all about might want to read the summary of things in this article posted at Forbes.


That's the best piece of writing I've read on the whole issue so far. Actually, it's the only good piece of writing I've read about GamerGate so far. It's refreshing to finally come across a level-headed and properly nuanced outlook at this whole mess, that doesn't resort to hysterics, ideologies, and over-simplistic emotion-driven thinking.

Not that I agree with everything written there, and I do think the writer is informed by a characteristically American perception bias where the political discourse is for the most part very bipolar, and things have to be put in terms of a neat liberal-versus-conservative dichotomy.

But it was a very refreshing piece to read nonetheless.


EDIT: just wanted to add, damn you Forbes website and the stupid crap you make people have to click through before they can actually read the damn thing.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2014-09-23 02:41:12 UTC

Didn't see this piece by Devin Faraci in OP. I think it's a good read.

Why I Feel Bad For - And Understand - The Angry #GamerGate Gamers

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#89 - 2014-09-23 10:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Sibyyl wrote:

Didn't see this piece by Devin Faraci in OP. I think it's a good read.

Why I Feel Bad For - And Understand - The Angry #GamerGate Gamers



That article is rather dehumanising. And it's written that way on purpose. Shame on Faraci.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-09-23 10:56:42 UTC


Explain.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#91 - 2014-09-23 11:02:17 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Didn't see this piece by Devin Faraci in OP. I think it's a good read.

Why I Feel Bad For - And Understand - The Angry #GamerGate Gamers



That article is rather dehumanising. And it's written that way on purpose. Shame on Faraci.


Coming from someone like you, that's pretty funny.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#92 - 2014-09-23 11:44:39 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:


Explain.


It's basically one part "look at them, they're so bad", describing gamers as social misfits that, quote, smell and dress like ****.
And one part "I'm better than them"
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-09-23 13:50:59 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:


Explain.


It's basically one part "look at them, they're so bad", describing gamers as social misfits that, quote, smell and dress like ****.
And one part "I'm better than them"


Actually I've never thought being a misfit is a bad thing (and the author self identifies as one). What is bad is the social consequences of being a misfit, some of which may be related to aspects of the topic of the thread.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#94 - 2014-09-23 14:10:14 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Let me first state that I moved this thread here instead of taking the easy way and lock it when I found it, because I believe we do not live in splendid isolation. This topic is going to be debated and to a certain extend it concerns us, the EvE community, the EvE players, gamers in and of EvE. My thought was, we might as well debate about it among ourselves. Please, I implore you, do not make me regret this decision!

That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

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6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.

Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.

7. Discussion of real life religion and politics is prohibited.

Discussion of real life religion and politics is strictly prohibited on the EVE Online forums. Discussions of this nature often creates animosity between forum users due to real life political or military conflicts. CCP promotes the growth of a gaming community where equality is at the forefront. Nationalist, religious or political afiliations are not part of EVE Online, and should not be part of discussion on the EVE Online forums.

8. Use of profanity is prohibited.

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Shocked how do you get that worked up about the gaming "press", ope is such a peacfull place.

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colay Starwolf
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#95 - 2014-09-23 16:33:07 UTC
its not all press for the most part it seams to be the press in the USA are pushing a ultra left idea or trying to push one on game makers.Some gamers some indie devs and others are fighting back. #gamergate was born

EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game
RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2014-09-23 16:42:01 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Shocked how do you get that worked up about the gaming "press", ope is such a peacfull place.


It's mostly just a courtesy: the whole scandal/crisis is fabricated at great :effort:, it would be impolite not to rage and rant and discuss the **** out of it...

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2014-09-23 17:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
all I see in all of this is:

- someone traded favours (of the sexual kind, and I could say "allegedly", but it seems that it's more of a fact than allegation at this point), to someone in the gaming journalism (I felt dirty saying this here), so that their game could get some thumbs up.

- this came into light, and so people cried "ohnoes, gaming journalism is actually corrupt!".

- journalism outlets went "HELL NO THIS IS A MISOGYNIST PLOT!"

- cue in SJW's

- cue in "GAMERS ARE DEADED!"

- cue in more rage

- more fire

- more rage

- lots of doxxing

- EXPLOSIOOOONS!





...pretty much what I get here.



edit: also the Forbes article seems to be the most moderated I have read, and also bang-on on what I have said time and again: there are bad people on both sides, so don't get roped on them.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#98 - 2014-09-23 17:49:39 UTC
colay Starwolf wrote:
its not all press for the most part it seams to be the press in the USA are pushing a ultra left idea or trying to push one on game makers.Some gamers some indie devs and others are fighting back. #gamergate was born

so its just us media being us media then.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#99 - 2014-09-23 17:57:45 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
all I see in all of this is:

- someone traded favours (of the sexual kind, and I could say "allegedly", but it seems that it's more of a fact than allegation at this point), to someone in the gaming journalism (I felt dirty saying this here), so that their game could get some thumbs up.

- this came into light, and so people cried "ohnoes, gaming journalism is actually corrupt!".

- journalism outlets went "HELL NO THIS IS A MISOGYNIST PLOT!"

- cue in SJW's

- cue in "GAMERS ARE DEADED!"

- cue in more rage

- more fire

- more rage

- lots of doxxing

- EXPLOSIOOOONS!





...pretty much what I get here.



edit: also the Forbes article seems to be the most moderated I have read, and also bang-on on what I have said time and again: there are bad people on both sides, so don't get roped on them.


Basically it's the same situation as 15 years ago, except that the crazy per capita is a lot higher now.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2014-09-23 18:59:14 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
all I see in all of this is:

- someone traded favours (of the sexual kind, and I could say "allegedly", but it seems that it's more of a fact than allegation at this point), to someone in the gaming journalism (I felt dirty saying this here), so that their game could get some thumbs up.

- this came into light, and so people cried "ohnoes, gaming journalism is actually corrupt!".

- journalism outlets went "HELL NO THIS IS A MISOGYNIST PLOT!"

- cue in SJW's

- cue in "GAMERS ARE DEADED!"

- cue in more rage

- more fire

- more rage

- lots of doxxing

- EXPLOSIOOOONS!





...pretty much what I get here.



edit: also the Forbes article seems to be the most moderated I have read, and also bang-on on what I have said time and again: there are bad people on both sides, so don't get roped on them.


Basically it's the same situation as 15 years ago, except that the crazy per capita is a lot higher now.

I blame the lack of natural selection for thatStraight

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