Missions & Complexes

That is a fairly unlikely outcome, since at some point both channels will struggle gathering enough people for a HQ fleet, what in turn would keep the Inc open, while the channels are still able to run AS or VG fleets, if TVP stays true to her internal goal. Given that many people of other channels advise to not participate in ISN or TVP, for the time being till the situation is resolved, to reach this point rather sooner than later it will happen eventually. Plus people get bored with moving BS all day long across empire for nothing, it was probably the biggest problem back in TDF last year with the MoM fleets.

The time zone, only a few community manage to have enough FCs and members to cover all TZs, ISN is like most other Inc channels limited to EU TZ and I guess it is more effective to do HQ instead doing the Mom when they are quick with the formup, with the option to contest TVP in the Mom site.

Every community rely on mutes and bans.

Unless you are leadership in those communities you can speculate all you like about who was/wasn't on board.

Don't think we ever claimed helix was though.

On a plus side incursions are up and fleets are running.

For how long we shall soon see.


Don't forget for the low low price of 20bil to the HK wallet I stop popping moms :)

Skyrider is just a fresh t badge he is fairly clueless about the "lol politics" of incursions.

You were banned because reasons nothing to do with the logi comments.

That is not true. The only ones I ever banned in OIC where some pizza alts and later pizza chars that tried to troll people in OIC(mostly because of her ganking, I can life with a bit of trolling). I even allow Major Leconfuzed not only on his Alt but also on his Main in my channel(he banned me twice from TDF) and he even tried to convince people in the OIC channel to come back to TDF. I found it quite amusing to watch, given that he banned most of them himself from TDF in the first place or his decisions where the reason for some to leave TDF for good and that this is technically even a bigger nono between Inc channels than what he accuses me(stealing pilots from TDF) while I never did the later at all. At least if you don't consider everybody in Incs that does fit a EANM on his hull as TDF property like Major does or consider me as a bad person for giving people that get laugh at even by FCs in TDF for asking about a fleet with a Execuror or Hurricane a hand with the fitting and a chance to participate in Incs by putting them on grid.

I never prevented people from expressing her opinion on stuff because think it is silly and most people in leadership position misuse the tool because they lack the communication skills to get her point across, what is rather sad in my opinion.

I left the channel after he removed my FC tag for not participating in the mom kills last year(I actually not even flown Incs since it did feel like a waste of time as FC back then and I didn't like what TDF did, others put down her FC tags to) and since the mail also included another well know FC name in armor Incursions, it did feel like he specificity targeted IIC members(no surprise because the IIC stance was that we will not participate and he should to his nonsense without us), given that he never did think that a private mail or a chat about his reasons would be probably more reasonable instead of just sending a mail in the FC mailing list about FC changes I closed the TDF channel for good after like over 3 years being active as DPS, Logi, HQ LC and FC. About 2 months later he did ban me for being in the KOP armor channel(he did ban everybody in there without any reason given from TDF).

I later did hear form somebody that he started to ban people for participating in OIC fleets from TDF, with the reason that I would steal people from TDF so I did come on the TDF TS to try to resolve that(I didn't care on being banned myself, but about the new players that don't get into TDF fleets and basically get banned for trying to earn her first BS/Logi with what they could have xed up in TDF later to). I was unbanned for about a month and did a TS session with him and ESJammer I think, as well as quite a few mails regarding the subject. However all my arguments why I left TDF and that OIC handles stuff a lot different to TDF when it comes to new players, FCing standards, fleet setups and the ability to provide armor based Incursions in more than just one focus where completely ignored by him.

The last thing I told him was that I will not consider participating myself in TDF again as long as this ridiculous ban policy is common in TDF(it should be not even acceptable in my opinion). Every pilot in armor should have the right to decide where to fly and more fleets, more options, more innovation and more choice for players is a good thing. I mean it produces great results as it is, OIC provided armor Incursions with the first real iteration of a unified and interchangeable VG setup for Machs, NMs and Vindicators and lots of faction hulls(even the CNR), where you mix close range guns/CMs with medium range sentry dps in a static fleet and produce similar good results as with shield fleets. This is completely going away from "I need this ships, I will not start the fleet if I don't get them." TDF theme, the setup works with 7 laser hulls and 2 blaster hulls just as good as the other way around, is scalable from 2 dps + 1 Logi up to the traditional 9+2 setup(it is not as good with 11-12 dps setup than shield fleets, by the lack of sensor boosters and alpha) and can manage every kind of site relatively fast(under 6 minute NMCs with 3 Vindicators, 1 NM, 1 Paladin, 1 Ishtar yesterday, what is quite good for 5.5 dps hulls on grid), can utilize medium ships but does not relay on them and performs quite good in contests, even with far less sensor boosters and alpha.

In the end he banned me again and also people that fly in OIC from TDF, even Xylem that came from TVP to us and never flown a single time in a armor fleet or TDF before and this was the last time I did hear from him(beside him spamming the TDF advert in the Incursion Local whenever I do one for OIC or Sorion does one for IIC pub).

In my opinion what he does causes a lot of damage to TDF and gives armor Incursions a bad image in the eyes of most shield pilots(since I do shield FC to I know from first hand that most people don't even consider armor in Incursions as viable and even other D-Inc FCs only changed her opinion about it after participating in a OIC fleet.).

I am not a shield vs armor person, I flown both a lot, I FCed both a lot and the difference on high end hulls is 2 modules. A lot of the shield pilots that tried out armor in OIC where actually surprised that it is that similar, then again the OIC doctrine is not based around TDF fittings but mostly follows similar schemes as most modern shield fleets, in roles, FCing and general approach to the fleet setup while it tries to utilize the advantages of armor to and avoids overspecialisation(like relaying to 100% on Vindicators to do NCOs, having your Machs doing nothing after the cruisers are dead etc). I guess if I switch out a web for a Invu and a EANM for a TE on each hull and add one scimitar it would work to. Also I actually have a much better relationship with every single on of the shield channels than with the TDF leadership(after spending a lot of time there to FC and improve stuff), what was hilarious at the time there where only TDF and OIC around for armor.

I don't think the way TDF operates is in any form or shape good. If you look at shield channels, they created a lot of variety, use mostly unified hull types what gives pilots next to no problem to find a fleet in on of the channels with her hull, small channels are very new player friendly, high end channels offer a lot of ISK/h if you meet the requirements and if you can't stand one, just go into the next one. The player base in shield channels isn't that much bigger because the fleets are much faster(outside of high end fleets), but because the pilots have a lot more options.

In armor you are stuck with TDF or banned from it for flying with other channels. If I would have the choice as a new player, I would see no reason why to do armor Incursions in this state when there are 20 shield channels that offer a lot more choice, are more new player friendly and have better high end options. I don't want TDF to collapse and I have a lot of respect for people like Diego(quite some of the OIC members miss your mwd fleets, including me, and actually would like to participate in them again if they where not banned) and lots of others that put a lot of effort and time into her fleets and I really would like to see some TDF people that can't get a spot in TDF just to switch over when we only run 5 dps. What I want is that people actually realize that having more FCs and options around is a good thing and one very important step towards making armor incursions more attractive in long run for everybody and all the banning done by Major helps nobody(not the pilots, not the TDF channel and not armor Incursions as a hole).