EVE General Discussion

Besides this, which is a big yes, why don't rats gatecamp in highsec? Now that would be a content creator, nevermind an appropriate punishment for using autopilot.

when exactly was hisec "proposed" and do you have a link about this event?

Anybody happen to have that Dev statement handy, where they say that they intend all of New Eden to be the wild west?

I'm in complete support of the views and opinions of posters such as SSabat, Kaarous, and Xuixien when concerning this topic. I for one don't want to kill Eve by forcing others to play a certain way, but the War Declaration mechanic is broken as long as people can drop it without repercussion.

I got it, forcing people to remain flagged for War will negatively impact subscriptions if they are unable or unwilling to defend themselves as they go about their normal routine, but there is also a negative impact by continuing to allow the mechanic to be useless as it stands now.

Unfortunately, our only salvation are gankers to be quite honest, and that is a tactic that should be used without restraint until war decs are buffed.

How many folk do you think want the effective removal of non consensual pvp, rather than giving you a target so you can whinge about folk wanting to spoil, 'your' game?

I see little evidence of it in the game, but it seems to give you a type of player target you can use to brag about how 'Eve tough' you are.

Some players are not overly keen to engage in pvp - perhaps some industrialists, perhaps some miners etc, but that is not the same thing as wanting non consensual pvp to nerfed into the ground.

Some new players do come and cry about non consensual pvp in the forums, but once they get the hang of how Eve works, they tend to just get on with the game.

Oh, and happy Eve birthday to my favourite crazy poster

Wow, this topic has gone from wardec mechanics to crying about not being able to freely pop people in high sec. People need to quit getting so damn angry over a video game.

What do you think it would accomplish being able to dust noobs in high sec with no consequences? A killboard full of dead kestrels at the hands of strat cruisers and AFs? Would you really get a kick out of that? I think CoD in Space would get pretty boring.

And before people start screaming "well then they should find people with big ships to run with!", remember that the players (because its a sandbox, so its a player created vibe) have created an environment of mistrust. Noob players read the articles of theft and backstabbing and have problems finding the right group to roll with.

Should they have a 100% safe environment? Nope. And they don't. Hi sec is not a safe place as it is. Ganks happen all the time. Non consensual PvP happens all the time. It just that there is consequences for aggressing in certain areas. If you want the luxury if being able to jump to zero without having to scan every gate, or travel without a scout interceptor, or enjoy all the super easy logistics of hi sec, you have to give a little. Otherwise its just null sec. And you obviously don't want to live in null sec because if you didn't want all those convienences...that's were you would be.

You as a player are making the decision to roll in high sec and are agreeing to those things. They aren't being forced on you.

As for the wardec mechanic (the original topic of this thread)... I still don't see how it isn't working as intended. If you make the decision to dec a small corp, KNOWING that its easy for them to dodge and that its a risk, why get mad when they dodge? Its as if some people in this thread don't want to be responsible for the decisions they make in game. Its not like that three person mining corp used some kind if digital voodoo magic to pull a sly one on you. You took a known risk.

Pick better targets if you want to PvP using the wardec system. Otherwise, just gank them. Or better yet! Quit getting so angry over a video game because you feel it should be tailored to suit your wants, whims, and desires.

You don't need to stay in hi sec after all. If it pisses you off, there's null sec with rats on the gates and all the exact same things you are asking for. Come have fun with those of us that want you to come shoot at us.

the problem with the "you're just picking on small noobie corps to bully, you should dec larger corps" is that

1. its cost prohibitive to dec larger corps, a situation that finds its genesis with careber whining to begin with.
2. as a solo deccer, every corp i dec'd was larger than me anyway
3. large dec corps do infact dec the largest alliances in the game (and people whine about that, too)
4. large corps can just as easily transfer pocos, unanchor towers, or close and reform as small corps do. in fact, large corps will probably suffer less from doing so as they will lose a comparatively smaller number of members inthe process
5. its a fallacy to argue on the premise that everyone who flies n hisec is a noob

Dear God, what a bunch of whine.

If someone doesn't want to fight you either go gank them or let them be. Don't come here complaining about how you didn't get to fight people who obviously don't want to fight you. How is this a problem ? Go wardec people who have no problem with PvP. Go wardec people who want to fight. I'd even go as far as saying, come wardec us. Unless of course you don't like people shooting back at you, and you just want some easy kills. In that case, stop complaining and return to the first line in this paragraph.

To answer your questions Dalto:

The war dec is there for your to attack someone. If people don't want to get attacked, they either leave the corp or alliance, or surrender. That's their right.

Are they easy to dodge? It's not harder than declaring a war. Recreating a corp takes much more effort than declaring war. You make it sound like these people are using exploits or what not. They are literally packing up shop.

So get off of your high horse. You have no right enforcing your way of playing the game on others.

No. The people who have a problem with PvP, are the people I have a problem with.




Saying the above is the same as saying that non consensual PvP should not exist.

But since non consensual PvP is pretty much the point of the whole game... how about no?

I already do. But thanks to CCP buffing the Infallible Magic Space Police over the years, there is a fairly serious wall to climb to get anything done to effect people that I have a grudge against.

Wardecs work better, especially for a primarily solo player.





Sure, I could be a carebear. That's the pinnacle of self entitlement.

And as for "not interested in it", that doesn't matter for a variety of reasons. Firstly, I truly do not care what they want, secondly, this is a sandbox game so interfering with others is both permitted and encouraged, and thirdly EVE is a PvP game first, last and always.

It doesn't matter what they want if what they want is against the core principles of the game. You don't turn on Super Mario Brothers and tell me it's a spelunking simulator just because he can fall down the bottomless pits. And you certainly don't get to cry to Nintendo to change the entire game to cater to your specific misuse of it.