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Ice belts in High Sec and Scheduled Downtime

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Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-19 02:34:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeur Maximus
I have a mild issue and thought I would post up in hopes that CCP will view it on this forum.

ICE Belts in high sec and Scheduled Downtimes.

I live in the USA central time zone, at downtime most Americans are getting ready for or going to work.. ICE belts are

in very high demand in High Sec for obvious reasons.. You don't have to deal with pvp'ers looking to ruin your

day.. Its so safe in high sec that I witnessed a multi-boxer having a Freighter, orca and about 9 skiffs in his

complement.. Result - ICE Belt was depleted by 7am or 1-2 hours after downtime.. I leave for work in the am and

come home to no belts.. This Downtime gives Ice miners in other time zones a distinct advantage - or you might

even call it an intrinsic 'exploit' of the system.. Now if you give me a fair shot at these belts I'll guarantee

you my Orca and 2 Hulks will get their share!

I don't really have a suggestion how to level the sand in this box except maybe Random time spawns on belts and anomalies so

that all Eve players might have a shot at this lucrative niche..

Enjoy this game greatly = its $ and resource efficient economy is just as it is in the real world, but that

being the case resources are limited and scarce sometimes.. I don't believe the makers of EVE intend for

scheduled downtime to tilt the odds in favor of some players, shorting others in the process.

I just wanted to 'bubble up' this issue that I have experienced.. no doubt CCP has to have the maintenance but

how to do it without giving a geographic area or time zone an advantage or disadvantage?

As I mentioned above the only thing I can think of is to randomly repopulate belts, anomalies etc through out the 24 hour run period.

Given the random population scenario we ALL would all be searching for ICE when and where it spawned. Instead of finding

empty anomalies every day or sitting waiting to horde it all after downtime because some of your competition is off to work in the

real world..

Thoughts derived from many moons of EVE gaming exp - thanks for reading = )
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2014-09-19 02:45:58 UTC
How about low sec?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-09-19 02:52:49 UTC
Ummmm... don't ice belts now spawn in anomalies?

Which themselves spawn 4 hours after the previous one has been depleted?

Regardless of the time zone?

And can be warped to by anyone... even gankers... without the use of probes?


The problem isn't that you are in the wrong time zone OP. It's that other people are faster and more dedicated at harvesting a limited resource.

Also... the reason why ice is so expensive right now is because few people can harvest it. If more ice is made available for harvesting, prices will drop and you make less money.
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-19 02:55:45 UTC
I use low sec.. However it is much easier to mine larger quantities in High Sec. For instance you cannot wisely sit in low sec with a Freigher or even an Orca.. Its not really wise to even multibox in low sec as you will lose expensive ships over time.

The point I am raising is based on High Sec being relatively easy to mine large Ice quantities with large multi box fleets.
And then with regards to the imbalance caused due to a rigid structure of when the resources are refreshed and consequently exhausted.

This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2014-09-19 03:03:18 UTC
Zeur Maximus wrote:
This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO.

What if... it is not supposed to be "easy pickings?"

What if it is designed to be fought over?




And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#6 - 2014-09-19 03:04:08 UTC
The horror of the daily downtime.. I hear ya!

Some newer folks find it rather annoying that all of EVE goes offline for twelve minutes every day. Think about all the market- mission- and mining-bots that need to be programmed to play the game for them.

What used to be more than an hours is now twelve minutes, sometimes 45 minutes, its terrible.

Ice mining is also terrible since it takes four hours for an ice-belt to spawn all over again after the last ice rock has been mined. But who has time to wait four hours?

Let's cut the crap and shove it down to two hours.

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Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-09-19 03:06:36 UTC
ShahFluffers

I don't want more Ice, scarcity is good.

Not slow by any measure but cant sit here on Eve all day so I will check my facts more on the respawn times.

I can tell you that the particular anomaly I checked was repopped after downtime only - 3 days in a row..

Not whining as my operation is also large scale = )



Thanks for the reply mate
Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-09-19 03:13:22 UTC
I will say that putting all ice in low sec .. is a very good idea.

No its not supposed to be easy pickings lol.. but level across the board yes.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#9 - 2014-09-19 03:46:35 UTC
The only thing they need to do is get rid of the spawn at dt itself. The rare occasion that an ice anom isnt finished before dt and it spawns half finished or more is fine too. But get rid of it almost always being there full at dt just like officer hunting right after dt got nerfed too.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-09-19 03:56:35 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:

And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined.

Nope. If you despawn the ice belt 5 minutes before DT, it spawns right after DT.

Please do not change this CCP. The pre-DT ice rush makes for emergent gameplay, believe it or not.

Hey guys.

Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-09-19 04:03:16 UTC
cool info Steppa Musana, I did not know this.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2014-09-19 04:25:02 UTC
There's ice in high-sec?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Zeur Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-09-19 05:04:01 UTC
no not a drop lol.. ; )
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-09-19 05:06:20 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
There's ice in high-sec?


Blink and you miss it.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#15 - 2014-09-19 06:17:19 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
There's ice in high-sec?


Bull-****, it's in my freezer.

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"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2014-09-19 06:51:54 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Ummmm... don't ice belts now spawn in anomalies?

Which themselves spawn 4 hours after the previous one has been depleted?

Regardless of the time zone?

And can be warped to by anyone... even gankers... without the use of probes?


The problem which he has is that ice fields respawn immediately after DT if depleted before DT, which resets the 4 hour timer every day.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#17 - 2014-09-19 14:50:04 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Zeur Maximus wrote:
This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO.

What if... it is not supposed to be "easy pickings?"

What if it is designed to be fought over?




And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined.


To be fought over is all good. To have them depleted while you are at work in real life is something entirely different.

EVE is a world wide game and this time zone issues is part of that. However the OP is correct when the game only spawns a certain resource once per day, assuming it only spawns once per day then the static nature of downtime gives some players an advantage. Perhaps it is time for CCP to explore having spawns on a more regular basis for the basic items like ore and ice belts.
Spooky Monkey
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-09-21 03:08:38 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Zeur Maximus wrote:
This rigid timimg structure shorts some players from the easy pickings IMHO.

What if... it is not supposed to be "easy pickings?"

What if it is designed to be fought over?




And again... timezones do not matter. Ice spawns ~4 hours after the last belt has been mined.


To be fought over is all good. To have them depleted while you are at work in real life is something entirely different.

EVE is a world wide game and this time zone issues is part of that. However the OP is correct when the game only spawns a certain resource once per day, assuming it only spawns once per day then the static nature of downtime gives some players an advantage. Perhaps it is time for CCP to explore having spawns on a more regular basis for the basic items like ore and ice belts.


totally agree, but this has been an issue forever and CCP still never addresses it so I doubt they will. but we need more people speaking up about it to make them address it. even halving the amout that spawns to change it to spawning every 12 hours would be better.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#19 - 2014-09-21 03:21:06 UTC
and for UK, downtime is in the middle of the day when everyone is actually at work...we miss both when its depleted before hand and when its respawned after.

and for AU and NZ its in the middle of the night when everyones asleep cause they are at work in the morning.

TL:DR
Work affects everyone's ice mining. fix it so ice is unlimited forever!

or make it spawn every 4 hours so all TZ's get a go...oh wait.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#20 - 2014-09-21 11:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
You people.

The ice respawns 4h after being depleted. It just so happens that everyone else has managed to put their ice mining on a timer.

Want some ice? You'll have to compete with the others.

Oh look at that: Ice mining is a form of PvP.

OP is asking CCP to make his chosen form of PvP easier for him to win at. I think we know what to say to this.
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