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Industry players--Travel Advisory--Uedama system--do not autopilot.

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Sister Bertrille
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-17 14:28:38 UTC
This may be old news to some of you.
Apologies if so but this information is worth an additional broadcast.
There is almost a daily pirate/griefer gang going on in Uedama.
They may not be on the gate when you get there but they are organized and arrive quickly.
Especially freighter pilots....do not autopilot in or around this system, the griefer gangs are specifically looking for freighters.
They will also target anyone that is idling in space or is undocked/afk.
I understand the necessity of this trade route but the best advice is to avoid this system altogether.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#2 - 2014-09-17 14:46:38 UTC
1. This is, indeed, old news.
2. It is generally a bad idea to autopilot anywhere, especially if you're hauling a large load of expensive goods.
3. It is also generally a bad idea to sit idle in space anywhere. Hisec is "safer", not "safe".
4. If you're hauling in a freighter, always use a scout, and whenever possible use web support to get the freighter into warp sooner.
5. The suicide gankers in question are not necessarily griefers. CCP has stated time and time again that hisec suicide ganking in and of itself is not griefing. See the link in my sig. To qualify as griefing, there must be a level of persistence and/or targeted harassment against a particular target, and ganking all comers through a particular system does not qualify. Some cross the line, but not most.

6. Tell Dryson that I send my regards. ;^)

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#3 - 2014-09-17 15:41:54 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:

3. It is also generally a bad idea to sit idle in space anywhere. Hisec is "safer", not "safe".


The forum lacks the tools for me to emphasize this enough. The mechanics of highsec do not make it safe - they just impose a cost on a player if they wish to attack another there. If you are carrying valuable enough cargo and have not taken some other steps (like the ones so kindly outlined by Bronson above), another player may decide to pay those costs imposed by CONCORD and blow your ship up and take your stuff.

This is the reality of the risk vs. reward design of Eve and has nothing to do with "griefing".

Uedama is a popular, but not the only system in highsec that gankers operate in. CCP has provided a useful tool through the API that you can access directly, or through other sites like dotlan or eveeye, that can show you in near real-time which systems are currently a hot spot for ganking.

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#4 - 2014-09-17 19:18:27 UTC
Sister Bertrille wrote:
but the best advice is to avoid this system altogether.
Yes, well known and a hard system to avoid. Keeping your cargo value below 1.5 billion will help you not become a target. Some players will auto pilot for much of the route but manually pilot where needed.

This link will list recent freighter kills to find more trouble spots. Some will be wardec targets & many are in low-sec. zkillboard
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2014-09-17 20:08:21 UTC
Good luck avoiding Uedama and Niarja. Roll
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2014-09-17 20:17:46 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Good luck avoiding Uedama and Niarja. Roll

Their location along the major trade routes, coupled with their 0.5 security status, is specifically why they are popular with gankers. Niarja in particular is bad because it's a major bottleneck: it's pretty much the only way to get to Amarr from Jita and Dodixie without going very far out of the way. (For Amarr to Jita it's 10 jumps vs 46.)

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2014-09-18 00:39:27 UTC
Sister Bertrille wrote:
...griefer gang

...griefer gangs


Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Faylee Freir
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#8 - 2014-09-18 01:48:15 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Sister Bertrille wrote:
...griefer gang

...griefer gangs


Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition.

Sorry, but ganking in hisec is not griefing. This belongs in C&P.

HTFU
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2014-09-18 01:51:06 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Sister Bertrille wrote:
...griefer gang

...griefer gangs


Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition.

Sorry, but ganking in hisec is not griefing. This belongs in C&P.


That was my point.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Faylee Freir
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#10 - 2014-09-18 02:02:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Sister Bertrille wrote:
...griefer gang

...griefer gangs


Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition.

Sorry, but ganking in hisec is not griefing. This belongs in C&P.


That was my point.

Oh, then good point. This man has good points.

HTFU
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2014-09-18 15:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Removed some trolling/derailing posts.

Please stay respectful and on topic.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-09-18 21:39:49 UTC
Title should read "Do Not Autopilot" as in at all, ever...
Faylee Freir
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#13 - 2014-09-19 03:34:14 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Removed some trolling/derailing posts.

Please stay respectful and on topic.

I still think this belongs in crime and punishment.

HTFU
Airto TLA
Acorn's Wonder Bars
#14 - 2014-09-19 03:41:30 UTC
It makes sense here, since newer industrialist often look in this forum, and they are the ones the "bad guys" are out to gank.


and since most big haulers are so dreadfully boring to fly, almost everyone autopilots for some part of the journey ( even so they can do something on an alt.)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#15 - 2014-09-19 03:45:40 UTC
Airto TLA wrote:
It makes sense here, since newer industrialist often look in this forum, and they are the ones the "bad guys" are out to gank.


Why would someone gank someone for rifters?

(Newbie industrialists don't have the money to be worth ganking, and old players new to industry quite simply should know better.)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Junkiloton
Corporate Retail Operations With Y'all
#16 - 2014-09-19 04:34:14 UTC
Most ganks are done for lulz, regardless of payload. Ganker knows he gets insurance + half his mods/inventory back, plus whatever their hauler/salvager snags from the wrecks. Sometimes, just knowing that they screwed someone out of a 1.5b isk ship is payment enough, since each of your gankers is unlikely to have lost more than an hour of their own time as far as isk goes.

Actually having a load they can steal only improves your chances of getting ganked. Flying something that's untanked raises this chance further, and autopiloting comes close to guaranteeing it.

That being said, back in the day, I used to frequent the Amarr-Jita highway in a fenrir rather frequently. Did this for full on a year or so without issue. I've also done deep-space logistics and rarely lost ships to anything other than blatant idiocy. Pretty much don't haul 3b+ of goods and don't autopilot and you'll be safe in high-sec. Also don't put freighter toons in player corps that aren't part of a major alliance. That never ends well.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2014-09-19 04:57:21 UTC
Junkiloton wrote:
Ganker knows he gets insurance


Did we find a time machine? This hasn't been true for three years.

Quote:
Pretty much don't haul 3b+ of goods and don't autopilot and you'll be safe in high-sec. Also don't put freighter toons in player corps that aren't part of a major alliance. That never ends well.


But if ganks are done for the lulz why would you be safe with under 3b? Or is it that gankers tend to gank high value targets because those are profitable and you think 3b is not valuable enough?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Faylee Freir
Slavers Union
Something Really Pretentious
#18 - 2014-09-19 11:19:31 UTC
Airto TLA wrote:
It makes sense here, since newer industrialist often look in this forum, and they are the ones the "bad guys" are out to gank.


and since most big haulers are so dreadfully boring to fly, almost everyone autopilots for some part of the journey ( even so they can do something on an alt.)

Yeah, this still has nothing to do with Science and Industry. This thread is a travel advisory for haulers, which should be kept to crime and punishment. You know, because ganking haulers is a crime and is met with.... punishment?

I'm sure that ganking empty freighters happens, but I'd say most are targeted at those flying with expensive cargo. You know how all you isk efficiency nerds are. There are pvp'ers that feel the same way.

Junkiloton wrote:
since each of your gankers is unlikely to have lost more than an hour of their own time as far as isk goes.

This sentence is disgusting. Is EVE a second job for you? Time = fun, my friend.

HTFU
SamuelAdams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-09-19 13:31:48 UTC  |  Edited by: SamuelAdams
Uedama is like Mos Eisly, unless you want trouble I'd stay away.
Pirate
Sister Bertrille
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-09-19 13:38:39 UTC
My target audience is in this forum.
Its an advisory for Science and Industry players.
Not the kill board boys that hang out in C&P.

And the griefers (yes I said griefers) that hang out in Uedama will shoot pretty much anything thats sitting still or autopiloting.
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