Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's Gallente...something something CCP boner.... something something should be the best.

Gallente have the best ships in the game far and away, generally speaking.

To answer this rebalance thread we have to ask what function does an interceptor play.

In null it is almost exclusively seen as a point ship for a fleet, designed to quickly get into system, identify a target and hold it down. Damage application is irrelevant so all the balance changes regarding damage application are mostly meaningless.

The elephant in the room is that to fulfill this function, does it really need ALL of the below:
Warp Bubble Immunity
Incredible warp speed
5000m/s + sub warp speed
Incredible agility enabling full speed orbits within point range and sub 2 seconds warp from gate
Bonus to point range

Taken together all this does is breed the behaviour of get through bubble, land on a Horde or Sanctum, point whatever is there, burn out to 25/30k and orbit at 5000m/s and WAIT with zero risk as once this is done there are very few counters for the prey. Light drones have difficulty keeping up, as do EW drones, and gunnery/heavy missiles won't track or apply damage.

The only escape is help from blues, however they are in a race against time as the enemy fleet will only be a jump behind.

CCP Fozzie, I would say you are tinkering with the mouse in the corner and ignoring the elephant in the room that is standing on the nuts of a large subset of Eve players.

An interceptor can be in system, at a site and lock down a ship that was in warp BEFORE the Interceptor pilot entered the system, which means that the 'risk vs reward' calculation is pointless, and by the time larger ships can even lock up the Interceptor to assign drones to attack it, the enemy fleet is there.

A proper rebalance of interceptors (vs other platforms, and tbh what I was hoping for) would be one or more of:
1) Remove Bubble Immunity - let's face it, at 5000m/s getting through bubbles isn't a problem.
2) Remove point range bonus to prevent extreme range kiting, thus giving Light Drones a chance to catch the Interceptor to attempt to destroy/defield it.
3) Reduce sub warp velocity/agility to prevent extreme range orbiting to enable the same effect.

Any other changes to Interceptors are frankly meaningless.

This^

Sure nerf the crow a bit, but the malediction? You're already nerfing it with lml changes. Crusader??? Any thoughts on that incredibly underused ship?

And for pities sake, NERF DRONES before LML's.

Also, Fozzie... I always hear that CCP responds to its player base and their concerns, but i have yet to see a dev comment on any of the recent changes that have been widely unpopular:

-Ishtar "nerf"
-Frigate PermaWH's
-These changes to inty's

I thought CCP cared what we thought... its one of the aspects that attracted me to the game. I'm starting to think the Gallente have CCP in their pocket. Lulz. But seriously...

Thanks scorch. :P

Fun fact: Currently, a Malediction with IV/V skills mixed and MWD on and agility fit is untouchable by light scout drones when holding a LM kite distance orbit. They also OUTRUN the light missiles themselves, unless you are flying a Garmur. You can't web, point or scram them unless you are flying a Recon cruiser, an Electronic Attack Ship or some other warp disruption bonused ship at those ranges. They can get in a fight without committing to the fight itself, and they are nigh uncatchable with ANY scan resolution on gates due to <2.0 s align time.

Don't tell for a second that this was not OP. Nobody will take you seriously. Malediction required a nerf, fair and square.

What sensible people object to here are the nerf to LMs themselves.

You mean the same reason any missile nerf is announced at the last possible minute?

Could we try and keep the discussion on topic, this isn't the have a cry about the Ishtar thread, plenty of those already around its the discuss the proposed interceptor changes thread to provide feedback. I think the biggest question is what about the claw and crusader, both very much unloved and no proposed changes?

em ward amps give 32.5%/37.5% (named/T2), and benefit from em shield compensation without bloating your sig

you are thinking of rigs that are 30% and bloat your sig

and you can't use an em ward field without going cap unstable (also it takes a lot more CPU)

also here is the big secret wrt interceptors

if your align is under 2 seconds

you can't be targeted on a gate, ever

your sig can be infinitely large and it won't matter because the mechanics of the game prevent you from ever being targeted

also the sig bloom you are receiving is just not that big of a deal -- base sig at all fives is 90, with 1/2 istabs it goes to 98.6/105 while you are going nearly 4000 m/s

i get that you like to repeat what you read on the goonswarm federation wiki mirror you found on google but there's actually a little more nuance in this game than that

A proper rebalance of interceptors (vs other platforms, and tbh what I was hoping for) would be one or more of:
1) Remove Bubble Immunity - let's face it, at 5000m/s getting through bubbles isn't a problem.
2) Remove point range bonus to prevent extreme range kiting, thus giving Light Drones a chance to catch the Interceptor to attempt to destroy/defield it.
3) Reduce sub warp velocity/agility to prevent extreme range orbiting to enable the same effect.

Any other changes to Interceptors are frankly meaningless.[/quote]

here we go , renters crying because they lost many ships to ceptors.

RIP
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Um - no. Just pointing out that playing around with the fitting is missing (in my opinion) the OP nature of all the bonuses added togeher. I normally have fun playing with Interceptors both flying them and fighting them - had a gudfite the other night. Crying would be;

WAAAAAA! ZOMG, Ceptors are too OP. WAAAAAA!.

Ahem.

did you point him

the post you're quoting is trying, ineffectually, to illustrate that rat AI prioritizes targets that are emitting ewar (like warp disruptors) without considering which targets are being disrupted