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Battle-Recorder · Eve's Very Own Built-In Fight Record Tool

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#281 - 2014-09-18 17:15:48 UTC
+1, nulsec.com has a tool something like this, we neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed this!

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#282 - 2014-09-18 17:19:55 UTC
Hey guys. I've noticed people asking about expanding the CREST exposure that we use for Tournaments into everyday EVE.

The problem is that recording everything and sending it out via CREST so that sites like Null-Sec.com can replay it is only feasible if there are limited numbers of ships involved. It works for the AT and NEO because we have set maximum numbers of ships that can be involved in each replay, but it would not work for general everyday EVE.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of us ever making a different replay system someday in the future, but it would not be as simple as expanding the tournament CREST exposure.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#283 - 2014-09-18 17:40:20 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey guys. I've noticed people asking about expanding the CREST exposure that we use for Tournaments into everyday EVE.

The problem is that recording everything and sending it out via CREST so that sites like Null-Sec.com can replay it is only feasible if there are limited numbers of ships involved. It works for the AT and NEO because we have set maximum numbers of ships that can be involved in each replay, but it would not work for general everyday EVE.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of us ever making a different replay system someday in the future, but it would not be as simple as expanding the tournament CREST exposure.

didnt mean to imply that it was dude,
just pointing out that the ideas i get from it get me all hot and flushed.

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Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#284 - 2014-09-18 18:05:28 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey guys. I've noticed people asking about expanding the CREST exposure that we use for Tournaments into everyday EVE.

The problem is that recording everything and sending it out via CREST so that sites like Null-Sec.com can replay it is only feasible if there are limited numbers of ships involved. It works for the AT and NEO because we have set maximum numbers of ships that can be involved in each replay, but it would not work for general everyday EVE.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of us ever making a different replay system someday in the future, but it would not be as simple as expanding the tournament CREST exposure.



What about client side recorder?

Ofc client dont have all the info about HP and state of each ship, so it cant be as good as AT recordings, but it have the most important ones:
- who is shooting who
- what e-war is used on whom and by whom
- what assists are used on whom and by whom
- if certain modules are on or off (res on ships, repairers, gang bonuses) - everything that already have graphical representation in game on ship model
- where is everybody and their movement vector
- whenever someone dies/cyno/dock/warps off/warps in/gate jump/wh/etc... into/out off battle

This could be used to anything from fleet manuvers, pve tutorials to actually battle recording.

To be fair its probably possible to do it by memory scraping, but thats against eula so its out of the question, but if CCP would do it, maybe just damp it in some sort of log file that we can then proces....

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Archetype 66
Perkone
Caldari State
#285 - 2014-09-18 19:03:06 UTC
A système like the one used for tournament would be controversial as it reveals hidden informations from an external point of view. Even if it would be doable, it'd be too powerfull.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#286 - 2014-09-22 04:58:03 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
client side recorder?

Roll

Pirate
Anticlipse
Without the Daystar
#287 - 2014-09-22 13:07:29 UTC
Would love this +1

Client side would be neat, propaganda is such a big part of eve, the "truth" has no business here. We shouldn't know it, thats half the mystery.

The data should be able to export into some standard 3d tool ala source film maker, i'd love to see what could be done, I'd say the community would come up with some really special stuff been able to do proper post-production on a fight with super high res textures etc.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#288 - 2014-09-22 23:13:30 UTC
I fully understand how difficult a battle recorder would be (of course I still want it), but one thing that would help would be to implement the picture in picture of your targeted ship as has been discussed in the past. It would make our videos make a lot more sense to people unfamiliar with EVE.

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#289 - 2014-10-02 14:55:41 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I fully understand how difficult a battle recorder would be (of course I still want it), but one thing that would help would be to implement the picture in picture of your targeted ship as has been discussed in the past. It would make our videos make a lot more sense to people unfamiliar with EVE.

Roll
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#290 - 2014-10-02 18:55:11 UTC
I just travelled a dozen+ jumps to Jita, did a little market activity, flew around outside station a bit, then went back home.
I never saw my network utilization go over 3000 bytes/sec.
Total network traffic during those ~30 minutes was less than 4 MB for an average of 1876 bytes/sec. A whole day's worth of activity could be recorded without putting much pressure on storage capacity.

A local-client battle recorder could possibly work by starting with a "current state" dump to file, followed by just replicating all network communication to that file. Then later the client, which already knows exactly how to handle the logged data, can be launched in a special replay mode and render the activities in real-time as the replay. Extend the client a bit and perhaps tools like rewind, slow-mo, fast-forward and the like could be added.

I assume camera controls could be fully utilized during the replay, as well as different overview settings, but not things like d-scan activations that weren't done during the recording process.

3rd party comms like TS couldn't be captured, but EVE Voice could.

This wouldn't give away any additional intel than what the player can already see.

This would mostly be so that a pilot can look back at some fights they've been in and see what the heck all really happened. If said pilot wants to post a video to YouTube of the like, they'll still have to use some sort of capture utility.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#291 - 2014-10-02 20:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: FireFrenzy
^ is more or less how they do starcraft broodwar replays, which is why it is so awesome if you replay it on the wrong version or something...

Stuff making no sense at all all of a sudden...

EDIT: Also the information you'd see "on video" wouldnt be anything you cannot find on the killboard after action if you're worried about "classified fittings" or something...
Brutalis Furia
Hammer and Anvil Industries
#292 - 2014-10-03 21:23:08 UTC
There was a comment earlier that this actually existed in-house as analysis tool. In an effort to get something that may not be perfect or have all the (really good) features, I'd like CCP to tweak that tool to eliminate any data that we shouldn't see and release it to us.

I'd love to have additional features, but I'd love to have something that wasn't perfect rather than waiting for a dev to have the time to code new features - something that I'm almost certain is a very low priority.
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#293 - 2014-10-25 18:43:21 UTC
Yea the first time it was raised at the CSM CCP stated they have an in-house tool for making the videos that were originally on eve-online.com.

At the moment CCP is aware we want this and it's on a list but not an active list as far as I could discern from my last evemail received about it.

Support Eve's own built-in Battle-Recorder!
Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#294 - 2014-10-25 20:55:53 UTC
CCP Atlas wrote:
This is something that has been discussed internally numerous times and it is pretty awesome. I do believe it's even on some backlog or other, but I don't know when or if it will be attacked.


I played a game that let you do this then on play-back you could clean up your UI and close out all your windows/boxes to make for some really nice videos. Make it happen.
Hairpins Blueprint
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#295 - 2014-10-26 11:15:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hairpins Blueprint
ninjaholic wrote:


BATTLE-RECORDER




I'm still waiting ...... some day
Ma Zhiqiang
Droika Logistics
#296 - 2014-10-28 23:22:04 UTC
Make. This. Happen.

Please!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#297 - 2014-10-31 02:04:23 UTC
I was surprised to see notifications about this thread from this year. Live on brave thread! Live on!

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The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2014-10-31 06:48:39 UTC
Woooo the little thread that could! Keep chugging your way into existence idea, we can't be too far now.
Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#299 - 2014-10-31 18:29:08 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
You want HIGH FPS, and LOW client-side lag, FAST loads and computers that run like a scalded cat. (I know you do because I do too! Twisted )

Since you won't have a resource-hungry vid-capture tool running anymore, YOU CAN!

Similar to Half-Life 2's built-in demo-record feature (which records to a small file), Eve-Online should have it's very own...

BATTLE-RECORDER

It keeps the file size small by recording only position data over time, not video & audio. When you replay the file later on, it re-renders the whole scene, allowing you to record it then, without lag, without any slow-down, without any choke, so you can concentrate on your awesome video after, not during, a fight.

In playback, you can set the camera position over a time-line so that replayed your über camerawork will be shown, allowing you to share some superb vids.

The idea is this tool comes in two 'flavours', the Battle-Recorder, and it's partner, the Battle-Player.

BATTLE-RECORDER

  • Records positional, directional information etc. in realtime to a file for later edit and playback, not raw video & audio like current vid capture.
  • Allows you to edit the saved battle information and add camera tracks, pans and zooms for dynamic and stylish angles over a timeline in realtime.
  • Uses ONLY A FRACTION of the resources typical vid-capture tools require, allowing CLIENT LAG-FREE PVP, fleet or otherwise, as well as detailed recording, at RIDICULOUS RESOLUTIONS!
  • With such power over the timeframe, it allows you FINE-TUNED CONTROL on where the camera is, doing what, at any time.
  • Snapshots, allowing those perfect snapshots to be captured!
  • The perfect tool for anyone who doesn't want to capture at 1920 x 1200 Shocked, because that's nuts. Well, NOW YOU CAN easily record in 1920 x 1200 Shocked, edit it IN REALTIME, then capture your work of art with your favourite vid-capture tool, convert it and post it up to EVE-files for all to see!

BATTLE-PLAYER

  • Plays-back the previously (edited) battle, full-screen/windowed, ready to record with your favourite vid-capture tool!
  • It might even be possible to implement an AVI or frames export, eliminating the need for a separate capture tool, so you can get right into editing the video with your fav program.
  • FREE ADVERTISING from epic community videos?
  • A tool allowing users to analyse fights in great detail to fight smarter, or as an intel tool, to highlight strong/weak-points in both yours and your enemies fleets! This can be done in your own client or in the conference room to your whole corp in walking-in-stations.
  • STREAM the Alliance Tournament DIRECTLY to your client? So you could WATCH IT HAPPEN LIVE at home and be your own cameraman and listen to the commentary via EVE voice!
  • Ghost-out other ships, like passers-by, so people know at-a-glance they're not involved in the fight and pay them no heed.
  • The greatest benefit will be to the new players. You no longer have to explain something in detail, you can just link them a tiny file to download and watch in the Battle-Player!

So whaddya think?

(Kicking this around since October 2007! Source: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=779893)


Read this out loud on camera, flail your arms around a little bit, and you'd make a pretty decent replacement for Billy Mays. :P

+1 to the proposal.

ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#300 - 2014-11-30 10:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Liafcipe9000
posting to keep the thread active.