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CPP should do something for GalMil achievement

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Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#81 - 2014-09-03 20:44:17 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Yogsoloth wrote:
[quote=Crosi Wesdo]I'd also wager that you've shot and will continue to shoot most Minnies you come across. I'm just on the other side of the fence now.


You would lose that bet.

I fly with the assumption they are hostile and stay out of scram range, and engage if they yellow box me.


You'll have to forgive me if I don't buy this but, there is an easy way resolve this. Post a screenshot of your TLIB standings. If you're only shooting people that are hostile then you should have a neutral or even positive standing.

If you're shooting people that are yellow boxing then you are doing exactly as I stated. I'm quite certain you understand the difference between yellow boxing and red boxing. The proof is in the pudding sir.
Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#82 - 2014-09-03 20:47:27 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Yogsoloth wrote:

I'd also wager that you've shot and will continue to shoot most Minnies you come across. I'm just on the other side of the fence now.
Usually only if they have a proven track record of shooting Gallente Militia.



That is quite the qualifier "Usually". I'd offer the same wager I did Crosi, screenshot your TLIB standings. Being hypocritical only some of the time doesn't make someone any less of a hypocrite.
Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#83 - 2014-09-03 20:53:36 UTC
Yuri Antollare wrote:


Shooting allied militia in your own warzone = being a Minnie living in Gallente space shooting Gallente.

This should be good, did anyone let Adolf know about this line of defence?


There is soo much wrong with this analogy that It simply does not merit more than I've already written.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#84 - 2014-09-03 21:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Yogsoloth wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Yogsoloth wrote:

I'd also wager that you've shot and will continue to shoot most Minnies you come across. I'm just on the other side of the fence now.
Usually only if they have a proven track record of shooting Gallente Militia.



That is quite the qualifier "Usually". I'd offer the same wager I did Crosi, screenshot your TLIB standings. Being hypocritical only some of the time doesn't make someone any less of a hypocrite.


Just a manner of speaking, i always wait for a yellow box. Even then, if its a minmatar corp that i am familiar with, i will convo. Just a luxury i can afford since i fly kite.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#85 - 2014-09-04 09:49:45 UTC
Jo TwoTimes wrote:
What Galmil did by conquering the whole WarZone is impressive, and it should be recognized by CPP



Can someone enlighten me? I know nothing at all about faction warfare but I have the impression that it's a hybrid form of PVP and PVE where you can "win" a war or a system essentially by ratting.

Is that right?

T-
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#86 - 2014-09-06 14:02:38 UTC
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#87 - 2014-09-06 18:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Jo TwoTimes wrote:
What Galmil did by conquering the whole WarZone is impressive, and it should be recognized by CPP



Can someone enlighten me? I know nothing at all about faction warfare but I have the impression that it's a hybrid form of PVP and PVE where you can "win" a war or a system essentially by ratting.

Is that right?

T-



Pretty much. You enter a deadspace complex and wait for a timer to run. If the timer runs then you gain 20 vp for your side/ally. Once the non-occupying force has @ a net 3000 vp in a system it becomes vulnerable. And it can then be flipped to the other side by busting a bunker, before the defending side captures plexes to bring it non vulnerable.

People can fight for plexes but you won't know where they are running plexes until you enter the system. When you enter the plex the plexer - much like ratters - will just warp off and do more ratting/ plexing a system or two over.

edit: And yes Gallente should get a medal for their accomplishment.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#88 - 2014-09-07 00:19:05 UTC
I for one got 900 'ratter' kills last month. Amazing since they all warped away. Right cearain you clueless ******* *****?
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#89 - 2014-09-17 16:39:30 UTC
You must be lying. There are no kills to be had in lowsec, anywhere... Just stabbed farmers.

JUSTK is recruiting
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#90 - 2014-09-17 16:48:13 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I for one got 900 'ratter' kills last month. Amazing since they all warped away. Right cearain you clueless ******* *****?
That's only 30 kills a day - slacker. In Eve you should be on a kill every 3 minutes, so if you play for two hours that should be 40 kills a day.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#91 - 2014-09-17 17:43:23 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I for one got 900 'ratter' kills last month. Amazing since they all warped away. Right cearain you clueless ******* *****?
That's only 30 kills a day - slacker. In Eve you should be on a kill every 3 minutes, so if you play for two hours that should be 40 kills a day.


Play for 2 hours a day? If you look at his killboard in August you will see that doesn't apply to him- not by a long shot.

There are several other problems with just counting the number of overall kills one player gets in a single month and concluding that plexing mostly involves pvp. That is obvious to most people, so I will just state that point and leave it at that.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#92 - 2014-09-17 17:49:15 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I for one got 900 'ratter' kills last month. Amazing since they all warped away. Right cearain you clueless ******* *****?
That's only 30 kills a day - slacker. In Eve you should be on a kill every 3 minutes, so if you play for two hours that should be 40 kills a day.


Play for 2 hours a day? If you look at his killboard in August you will see that doesn't apply to him- not by a long shot.

There are several other problems with just counting the number of overall kills one player gets in a single month and concluding that plexing mostly involves pvp. That is obvious to most people, so I will just state that point and leave it at that.

Like I said, Crosi is a slacker. The fact that he plays more than two hours a day makes it even worse! Obviously he should be at 2k kills a month at the very minimum.

This "FW pvp thing" is SO BROKEN.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#93 - 2014-09-17 19:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I for one got 900 'ratter' kills last month. Amazing since they all warped away. Right cearain you clueless ******* *****?
That's only 30 kills a day - slacker. In Eve you should be on a kill every 3 minutes, so if you play for two hours that should be 40 kills a day.


Play for 2 hours a day? If you look at his killboard in August you will see that doesn't apply to him- not by a long shot.

There are several other problems with just counting the number of overall kills one player gets in a single month and concluding that plexing mostly involves pvp. That is obvious to most people, so I will just state that point and leave it at that.

Like I said, Crosi is a slacker. The fact that he plays more than two hours a day makes it even worse! Obviously he should be at 2k kills a month at the very minimum.

This "FW pvp thing" is SO BROKEN.


Yep, I dont know how they do it but CONCORD Police Captain and that Caldari Navy Sentry Gun seem to get thousands of kills every single month. Though they are on all day every day judging by their killboards so they too are probably just bad at eve.

Im not gonna even check cearains kb because im sure its spectacular and will just depress me into quitting, given how he knows exactly how to play eve and whats best for it.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#94 - 2014-09-18 15:36:11 UTC
Someone: It seems this is a hybrid form of pve where you can win a system by essentially ratting.

Cearain: Pretty much.

Crosi and XG: Look at my awesome killboard! I am sooo seeexy, its much better than Cearain's killboard so only my opinion should matter, and not his!

Sorry if I don't keep responding to you two but I have had my fill.

Back on topic:
As far as medals I think CCP should officially add them to the game. They could then give clear conditions of when a medal can be awarded. So for example if Gallente let Caldari take one system and then just took it back they shouldn't get a third medal - I think we would agree. But players should be able to get multiple medals. The conditions should be thought out and added.

The militia medals they get should show up on the miltia uniforms they sell in the lp store.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#95 - 2014-09-18 15:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Cearain wrote:
Crosi and XG: Look at CROSI'S killboard! HE IS sooo seeexy, its much better than Cearain's killboard PERIOD.
Fixed.

Seriously, why would you take advice from somebody (Cearain) who is not successful at something (getting pvp out of FW), when you could take advice from somebody who is (Crosi)?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#96 - 2014-09-18 18:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi and XG: Look at CROSI'S killboard! HE IS sooo seeexy, its much better than Cearain's killboard PERIOD.
Fixed.

Seriously, why would you take advice from somebody (Cearain) who is not successful at something (getting pvp out of FW), when you could take advice from somebody who is (Crosi)?


Yeah of course "getting pvp out of faction war" whatever you might mean by that, has a dubious connection with occupancy, and medals. Anyone can look at the top vp gainers for a day and see how much pvp they get that day.

Perhaps we should look at the killboard of your alt for the time period when he closed over 100 plexes in 2 weeks.


Anyone who wants actual data instead of bad logic can look up these guys and see how they did yesterday, (9/17/14) as they were the top vp gainers that day:

1)DARK68

2)Jl0PD CAYPOH

3)Mikle Student

Edit: I just want to get in before we hear the tortured reasoning that vp has nothing to do with occupancy.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#97 - 2014-09-18 19:46:35 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi and XG: Look at CROSI'S killboard! HE IS sooo seeexy, its much better than Cearain's killboard PERIOD.
Fixed.

Seriously, why would you take advice from somebody (Cearain) who is not successful at something (getting pvp out of FW), when you could take advice from somebody who is (Crosi)?


Yeah of course "getting pvp out of faction war" whatever you might mean by that, has a dubious connection with occupancy, and medals. Anyone can look at the top vp gainers for a day and see how much pvp they get that day.

Perhaps we should look at the killboard of your alt for the time period when he closed over 100 plexes in 2 weeks.


Anyone who wants actual data instead of bad logic can look up these guys and see how they did yesterday, (9/17/14) as they were the top vp gainers that day:

1)DARK68

2)Jl0PD CAYPOH

3)Mikle Student

Edit: I just want to get in before we hear the tortured reasoning that vp has nothing to do with occupancy.


I mean pvp fighting for occupancy - like Crosi does. Hey look, if you don't want pvp and you don't want to fight for occupancy then by all means keep whining nonstop. Go somewhere that you can farm to your heart's content and let the professionals like us take the warzone through pvp.

There is a proven, DIRECT, correlation to kills and fighting for occupancy - if you know how to do it right. We Gallente (and the other factions as well) know how to do it right and not only were we involved in massive levels of carnage in the months of July and August but we ALSO CONQUERED THE ENTIRE WARZONE. In fact we launched a massive pvp campaign to do it.

No side that has concentrated on using plexing alts and used VP/Day as the primary figure of merit to conquer the warzone has ever won FW.

We've done it TWICE. Maybe you should listen to us, yes?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#98 - 2014-09-18 22:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi and XG: Look at CROSI'S killboard! HE IS sooo seeexy, its much better than Cearain's killboard PERIOD.
Fixed.

Seriously, why would you take advice from somebody (Cearain) who is not successful at something (getting pvp out of FW), when you could take advice from somebody who is (Crosi)?


Yeah of course "getting pvp out of faction war" whatever you might mean by that, has a dubious connection with occupancy, and medals. Anyone can look at the top vp gainers for a day and see how much pvp they get that day.

Perhaps we should look at the killboard of your alt for the time period when he closed over 100 plexes in 2 weeks.


Anyone who wants actual data instead of bad logic can look up these guys and see how they did yesterday, (9/17/14) as they were the top vp gainers that day:

1)DARK68

2)Jl0PD CAYPOH

3)Mikle Student

Edit: I just want to get in before we hear the tortured reasoning that vp has nothing to do with occupancy.


I mean pvp fighting for occupancy - like Crosi does.


Occupancy has to do with vp. Crosi could get all those kills and nothing would necessarily change regarding occupancy. He could get that many kills and not even be in a militia.

X Gallentius wrote:


Hey look, if you don't want pvp and you don't want to fight for occupancy then by all means keep whining nonstop. Go somewhere that you can farm to your heart's content and let the professionals like us take the warzone through pvp.


What I am saying are just the facts. It is the rules of the game and the facts regarding who is actually capturing the most plexes for their militia. If you think my posting these facts is whining, that is your problem.

As far as winning through pvp. There was some pvp, no doubt. But as you admit your alt captured more plexes than your main. Do you want to post your alts name so we can see his killboard for that time? The people I posted were the players that captured the most plexes for their militias on September 17th 2014. So yeah any reasonable person can look at their killboards for that day and decide for themselves how much pvp is involved in the occupancy war.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#99 - 2014-09-18 22:54:14 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:


I mean pvp fighting for occupancy - like Crosi does.


Occupancy has to do with vp. Crosi could get all those kills and nothing would necessarily change regarding occupancy. He could get that many kills and not even be in a militia.

X Gallentius wrote:


Hey look, if you don't want pvp and you don't want to fight for occupancy then by all means keep whining nonstop. Go somewhere that you can farm to your heart's content and let the professionals like us take the warzone through pvp.


What I am saying are just the facts. It is the rules of the game and the facts regarding who is actually capturing the most plexes for their militia. If you think my posting these facts is whining, that is your problem.

As far as winning through pvp. There was some pvp, no doubt. But as you admit your alt captured more plexes than your main. Do you want to post your alts name so we can see his killboard for that time? The people I posted were the players that captured the most plexes for their militias on September 17th 2014. So yeah any reasonable person can look at their killboards for that day and decide for themselves how much pvp is involved in the occupancy war.

I think going forward you have three choices:
1. Admit your wrong,
2. Put your Occupancy Warfare theories to the test win the Occupancy War with your alt army, or
3. Keep yammering away on the forums.

Surely there must be a Caldari sponsor out there who would love to hire you as an Occupancy Warfare General (Think Hannibal of Carthage for example) who will inspire an alt army of Caldari plexers to take back the warzone and liberate Eagle Rise from those evil Gallente.

Aves Enderas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-09-18 23:33:32 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:


Surely there must be a Caldari sponsor out there who would love to hire you as an Occupancy Warfare General (Think Hannibal of Carthage for example) who will inspire an alt army of Caldari plexers to take back the warzone and liberate Eagle Rise from those evil Gallente.



IIRC Hannibal cared nothing for occupying Roman cities and all about slaughtering them by the 10,000s. (see: Battle of Cannae)