Out of Pod Experience

Maybe people shouldn't threaten and displace other human beings from their homes in order to communicate a social message. Something that is illegal is more newsworthy than your feeling of being offended at a poorly crafted media piece.


You lose legitimacy when members of the community break form and start doing inhumane things because the concept of freedom of expression is too difficult for them to understand.


Those terrible articles people are so bent out of shape about: people have every right to write them and market them. What you don't have a right to do is take your objection to something and turn it into physical violence.

If those threats and the doxing are real, it shouldn't really surpise certain people in this "SJW" circles, it's the same form of "harassment" every other public figure on the internet has to face at some point. That doesn't make it ok, mind you, but what's really troublesome, in my opinion, is the reaction the general public (and the games media) have to it:
They jump to their defense, by default, even if there is no evidence for the threats other then their word and a few lines on twitter, they censor message boards, they call gamers worse then ISIS, they (mostly silently) condone doxing and harassment of the people that criticise the very same people that claimed harassment and doxing in teh first place, etc.


No, not if they feel those labels don't fit them, at least... yet, they know they do, and they hate to be seen for what they are. On the other hand, if I was to publish articles claiming that games should no longer be about fun, but about social politics and moral education, then I should expect opposition... if I wasn't totally blinded by my own "convictions", that is.


It is, since the gaming media... those people that make a living of of gamers reading their articles and reports... have sided with people that only use the system for personal gains while calling all gamers mysogonisic, white cis het, neckbearded basement dwellers. Those folks are not about equality or fighting against "oppression", they just use their victim narrative to bully others and silence criticsm, and that's dispicable.

I was raised with a social conscious and a strong sense of justice... I never had to cry victim to reach my goals and I never had to find excuses for my own shortcomings, and seeing how certain people play the system like that sickens me...

...also: Death threats over twitter are nothing compared to what real political figures had to endure over the history, and if they would "own their sh*t", those selfstyled victims would call the authorities (something Anita Sarkeesian apearently didn't do, although she claimed she did) and not tweet about it!

You're right the feeling of persecution is completely imagined.


Take a look at comments to any of Mintchip's videos sometime. I'd never argue that Mintchip is anything but ignorant about all things EVE but I think you will agree that the comments are pretty screwed up. Why do gamers feel the need to make it so personal? Do you think this kind of thing is appropriate?


The point that someone has to leave their home because of death threats, with the FBI being involved in investigating.. maybe the assertion that the gaming community doesn't understand how to appropriately express their feelings is pretty accurate.


Don't be surprised about your guilt by association. You still seem to be defending these people.




So it is OK for someone to publish your phone number and issue death threats because you called them names. Got it.

You don't seem to understand that we can publish whatever we want to on the Internet (all the articles you are offended by are protected by free speech), but doxxing and death threats are not free speech and are in no way protected.


Do you honestly not see a difference between the two? Or are you just arguing for the sake of argument?





It's good nothing terrible happened to you, but you seem convinced that terrible things don't happen to women every minute of every day. Or maybe they should just shut up and not complain? Is that your recommendation?




So that makes death threats OK? Because politicians have gotten shot and blown up, it is OK to issue death threats via Twitter?

Amazing.

I've yet to see you express any outrage for it. Feel free to edit your OP and call out both sides of this issue as being on the wrong side of ethics.

I am a adult my actions mine to pick the fallout mine to deal with. Saying that all of #GamerGate is wrong or evil because the acts of other who might or might not be part of it is wrong. Sending death mails to people is wrong. I will only answer for what i have done.
Your saying its everyone s fault.

Atleast as amazing as your ability to only read what you want to read... but, you already know everything (even that I'm not a women and nothing bad has ever happened to me) and are not interested in discussion.

...as a final note: Terrible things happen to everyone, every second of the day in this world. It's our choice how to deal with it, but reducing all of humanity to a fearful herd of sheep can't be the way.

Feel free to post a quote from me where I said either of these things.





Between the two of us, you're the one posting an abbreviated "I'm done" response.

I always respond point by point, and I have a sufficient number of posts in thread to demonstrate my willingness to discuss things.

\o/ If I could give you more than +1 I would.

So Herzog, you have a lot to say not only on this topic, but a lot of different topics it seems.





This doesn't instill any confidence in me. If you want to be as dogmatic as those you criticize, feel free but I'm not going to restrict myself this way.


*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

And none of that justifies a death threat, does it?

Feel free to answer the question I've been asking you for a couple of posts now. You are conveniently avoiding it.


Do you think the death threats are appropriate?


Edit: And if it isn't clear to you, I disagree with most of Saarkesian's material and find it to be a discredit to legitimate feminist movements.