Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And when are Dreads used for LR attacks? Besides, my Revelation routinely out-DPSes Moroses and Naglfars with its Pulse lasers. And cap is also not really an issue, unless you are under heavy neutralizer pressure. Furthermore, all but 1 POS are vulnerable to Laser damage, which also puts the Revelation in a good spot.

Comparing the dreads to battleships, the Megathron does 40% (or so) more damage with its guns than the Abaddon, but the Abaddon has 3x the optimal and 75% of the falloff

The Moros does 37.5% (or so) more damage than the Revelation, but The Revelation only has 2x the optimal and 33% of the falloff of the Moros; in fact the Revelation has less falloff than the Abaddon!

The problem is that with stationary ships, range tends not to mean much as either you are in range or you arent, and it becomes very easy to make the moros completely useless by nerfing its range too much...

My suggestion would be to change the Moros guns to an optimal of 16km giving them an optimal of 10km after skills and AM ammo, also change its falloff to 20km meaning 25km after skills

Then change the Revelation guns to 48km optimal (30 km after skills and ammo) and 15km falloff (18.75km after skills)

This would give the revelation a much wider engagement envelope and more than justify its existence.

Also have you noticed that at level 5 it actually takes less cap to run the guns on the revelation than the moros?

Dread range must include the stuff they shoot at.
Range cannot be less than pos shields.

Just for comparison same fit on all dreads, all V skills :
T1 Capital guns (SR)
T2 Siege
Faction Ammo (DPS)
3 T2 Damage Mods
1 T2 DPS Rig

Revelation : 9.5k dps
Phoeninx : 9.7k dps ( but best range 59km, and 115.9k alpha )
Naglafar : 10.5k dps
Moros : 13k dps

Rev doesnt have to worry about ammo......

I don't stated that it is totally bad - just after boosts to naglafar and phoenix it is the worst one.
Worst DPS , and heavy cap dependency.

I already fly all dreads, still i love revelation , as it was my first capital ship .

I would say reduce the cap usage of the XL-Lasers by 50% and change the Cap usage bonus on the hull with a resist bonus like on the phoenix. With this the cap usage stays the same but the Rev will get more tank.

Then you will have the Moros for max DPS and the Rev for max Tank.
Maybe increase the laser optimal by 20% so optimal plus falloff is larger then on blasters

Which has nothing to do with the ship but the massive missile overnerf that was dumped upon us seven years ago.

Yea, really great advantage when you don't do any damage. Lasers are already an underused weapon system in PvP (but great for PvE) but their greatest strength, scorch ammo, is not available on Rev. Many players will tell you that lasers have only any sense when they are T2. Sure for sub caps u use beam until u get T2 pulse, but that won't work for dread.

I fly Rev and Moros and I was surprised that the second one not only has much higher damage up close but can have the same dps at longer ranges. Why? Because Moros has: double damage bonus, much higher base damage, 5 mid for additional tracking comp. All of those factors mean that the reduced Moros dmg in falloff can be still higher that Rev dmg in optimal. Did i mention better tracking?

To fix Rev, without touching lasers as a whole weapon system, it could be given a +4% resist bonus instead of -10% to cap use and increased cap regen to compensate. Didn't run the numbers on it so I don't know if it's the best idea - but that would at least give the Rev a unique trait: tank.

not all of us deal in blobs

Remove cap use bonus, roll it into the guns themselves along with a tracking and falloff increase on cap lasers.

Add 5% per level armor hitpoints bonus onto the hull. (or, if you aren't going to buff capital lasers, a 10% per level bonus)

Simple, easy, gives it a niche. It's time for CCP to stop pretending like fast ammo switch justifies a far weaker than average weapon system, by the way.