Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wish you could keep the crow and malediction at their current bonuses and such. There really isn't anything wrong with the hulls themselves. I believe the issue is that light missile launchers are too easy to fit compared to rocket launchers. This is very noticeable when you compare the fitting of short ranged small weapon systems to their longer range counterparts. With hybrids, projectiles, and lasers the difference fitting wise between the close range and long range weapon systems is enough that it is frequently difficult to fit a rail/arty/beam inty. If LMLs were to follow that same fitting difference then it would be much harder to fit LMLs on a crow and prevent a massive amount of LML crows and maledictions.

Honest question from a newer player...

What does the exchange of kinetic damage bonus for the explosion radius bonus achieve?

If they were trying to address DPS directly why not give it a bonus to a more versatile support skill aspect. Explosion radius buffs generally are of much higher value to larger missiles (Hvy, HAM, Torp, Cruise).

On a note about LML RoF being nerfed generally...what is the specific issue trying to be addressed by this? I don't recall seeing a bunch of folks clamoring that missiles are "OP" and my understanding is that they are fairly broadly considered to already be inferior to turret based weapon systems for PVP, correct?

Ok so did you just nerf the crow in a way that was only taking into account light missile users?
EDIT : I didn't realize that it gained selectable damage types. We shouldn't have to trade to gain this, but it makes it less of a nerf than it seemed to me previously. HOWEVER, the points below are still valid.

What about rocket users?? I don't want this stupid explosion radius bonus. Caldari navy scourge rockets already have 20m of explosion radius BEFORE skills. So what's the point?
You could at least leave some ship bonus for rocket crows. Make it rocket only if it needs to be. And no, the range bonus doesn't really count, given the base range of rockets...

CROW : In my opinion, you should leave the three lows and three highs. But change the damage bonus so that it fits the target DPS you want to have with the ship. Also the six med+lows without having an utility high, its a first for interceptors isn't it?
Overall the ship already have extremely poor agility and speed, but now it becomes even harder to make it able to do its primary job: tackling things.
For an interceptor, if the combo damage + speed somehow seems too strong to you, you should nerf the damage, not the speed.

RAPTOR : Nerfing the agility for an interceptor that has already no tracking bonus, and that is oddly made to hit at long range without having a bonus to warp disruption range is just bad... Plus, if you move a utility high-slot to a mid slot, you should consider increasing its CPU/PW a bit. Look at what you did to the Ares! In eve ships have 7.5% tracking per level and 10% optimal per level. 10% tracking > 10% optimal, in comparison the raptor bonus feels poor. And I'm not even mentionning the crappy base lock range.

How can you ever dare to nerf the ishtar so little and then go full.. full ANGRY on the interceptors, one of the more fun ship class to play.

Its a frigate god damit, nobody cares if its slightly more powered than you'd like it to be, it cannot stand against most ships anyway (including drones), and a single damp will usually ruin its life. What's the point of all this? Make sure people don't enjoy too much flying interceptors because they'd realize how boring other ships are to fly?

Really, really dissapointed on this one.

really good changes :yes:

Looking forward to maybe seeing some other frigs then crows in nullsec while im roaming

Still virtually unstoppable and therefore OP? Yeah great change, just what people have been waiting for!

The crow is bad at power grid, why are you adding a new high but not compensating the PG like you do with CPU?

Yes, people will still fly interceptors because they invulnerable to bubbles. Do you see people still fly BCs much?

You should make all interceptors (and all ships for that matter) have a minimum align time of 2.1s which would be as low as you can go so that they could actually be caught. It's kinda boring to have ships in the game that can run any gate camp except a smartbombing one. And when those uncatchable ships can also fit a cyno and warp speed rigs to at 11 au/s and only cost 20 mil it's just stupid.

No complaints about these changes really. I like the Crow but think it is a little OTT, and I'm very happy indeed to see the Raptor buff (off to buy a few of those as soon as I get online, actually.)

Nice ideas CCP, and thanks for not sledgehammer-nerfing. LMLs arguably do need to be toned down a bit but breaking them completely would remove one of the last decent missile systems in-game.

This ^

The crow barely has enough PG for 3 launchers, Tank and a prop mod which quite frankly should be standard on any pvp ship.

This extra launcher is a stupid Idea as now I have to use 2 fitting mods to fit a crow which on an interceptor is seriously gimping its ability's

Gone are the days you could suitcase tank a inty. you need a tank of some kind to survive. So now you either lose mobility (bad) lose tank (bad) lose out on your anti drone weapons (also BAD)