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Do not remove Titan POS Bumping

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colera deldios
#1 - 2014-09-18 07:16:20 UTC
The whole idea falls perfectly in EVE Universe and the image EVE players have built around this game to the outside community as a hard game with a harsh and unpredictable environment. CCP Should not be wasting DEV hours to implement babysitting changes that do nothing but remove potentiality B-R level content.

Take an example from anywhere in EVE anything you do in EVE if you do not think it over there is a way you will be punished every stupid decision you make in EVE will get you hit in the face with a baseball bat. Think about it:


  • You don't scout the cyno beacon POS/System and jump blindly there's a hot dropper waiting for you to kick you in the shins.
  • You move 10+b worth of cargo in your JF in HS and don't have an exit cyno ready you get kicked in the shins.
  • You don't look twice and press jump instead of bridge you get kicked in the shins.
  • You go do 0.0 anomalies and you don't align as you land you get kicked in the shins.
  • You don't anchor up in fleet fights you get kicked in the shins.
  • You don't look carefully before accepting a contract you get kicked in the shins.
  • You don't look carefully before buying something in the market you get kicked in the shins.
  • You go reinforce Shadow Cartels Poco, Wild bagger comes and kicks you in the shins.
  • You login your titan, that was logged out outside POS with FA in the system you get kicked in the shins.
  • You smack talk in Hophib local you get kicked in the shins.
  • You don't use Chribba you get kicked in the shins.
  • You send ISK/Assets to corp you aren't even part of you get kicked in the shins.
  • You trust Black Legion you get kicked in the shins.
  • You don't fit a DCII you get kicked in the shins.
  • You don't look in intel channels you get kicked in the shins.
  • You go to a public event to kill a Revanan knowing there is 5000 people there you get kicked in the shins, no kill-mail for you scubs should have stayed and got an archon kill.
  • You go afk, miss fleet you don't get super kill you get kicked in the shins.
  • Petition CCP to fix Blob/Sov/0.0 you get kicked in the shins and also you get fuel consumption increase.
  • WH community petitions CCP to fix/update POS System you get kicked more WH's and you get bigger spawn distance and you get kicked in the shins.


I mean every stupid mistake, every unthinked decision pretty much anything in EVE will result in you getting kicked in the shins. Do you know how painful it is to get kicked in the shins ? I mean EVE mild mistakes get you kicked in the shins like using wrong ammo.

But now we are going to baby sit some people who are incapable and waste Developer hours on this change that will only **** up those who spent hours and hours working on making all the corporation/alliance bookmarks ?

I mean we have this module:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mobile_Cynosural_Inhibitor


To fix this problem if you take the risk than risk being kicked in the shins ? We don't hold hands for everyone else why should we start holding hands for scrubs that can't drop this one module ?
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#2 - 2014-09-18 07:36:28 UTC
While I agree that stupid mistakes should not be cushioned, the POS bumping due to cyno jumping titans onto a POS is not a matter of stupid mistakes but abuse of mechanics.

The other examples you give are not because of mechanical abuse but because of stupid mistakes.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.

colera deldios
#3 - 2014-09-18 07:51:02 UTC
Petrified wrote:
While I agree that stupid mistakes should not be cushioned, the POS bumping due to cyno jumping titans onto a POS is not a matter of stupid mistakes but abuse of mechanics.

The other examples you give are not because of mechanical abuse but because of stupid mistakes.


It's a pretty valid mechanic that can be solved by simply dropping down a Mobile Cyno Jammer did you even ready anything I wrote ?
Anthar Thebess
#4 - 2014-09-18 08:23:04 UTC
This is bugged system, and if you force players to put MCI you are openly acknowledge it existence.
So if there was no MCI , you got bumped then what ? Was this abuse or not?
Simple question.

What is more important.
MCI on pos where you keep your ship OR no access to your pos shields by enemy using exploits?
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#5 - 2014-09-18 08:34:17 UTC
It sounds like an exploit to me. Time to hand out permabans.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2014-09-18 08:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
There are other ways than MCIs to keep your titan from bumping out of the POS FF. While it's clearly an exploit, there are numerous ways to prevent blue casualties. However, as long as people use 1234 or 420 or similar as PW for their POS, don't stront their POS or commit other errors, I don't think it's a bad thing to have some bowling parties. Blink

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

frasdasd Aakiwa
frasdasd Aakiwa Corporation
#7 - 2014-09-18 08:51:25 UTC
make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy
colera deldios
#8 - 2014-09-18 09:17:18 UTC
frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:
make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy


It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image.
colera deldios
#9 - 2014-09-18 09:18:47 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
This is bugged system, and if you force players to put MCI you are openly acknowledge it existence.
So if there was no MCI , you got bumped then what ? Was this abuse or not?
Simple question.

What is more important.
MCI on pos where you keep your ship OR no access to your pos shields by enemy using exploits?


What ? First everyone know about Mobile Cyno Inhibitors by now. Bumping is a valid mechanic and should not be removed because some people are incapable for adapting and instead resort to crying.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2014-09-18 10:36:01 UTC
colera deldios wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
This is bugged system, and if you force players to put MCI you are openly acknowledge it existence.
So if there was no MCI , you got bumped then what ? Was this abuse or not?
Simple question.

What is more important.
MCI on pos where you keep your ship OR no access to your pos shields by enemy using exploits?


What ? First everyone know about Mobile Cyno Inhibitors by now. Bumping is a valid mechanic and should not be removed because some people are incapable for adapting and instead resort to crying.


Its an exploit and has been fixed.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2014-09-18 10:39:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its an exploit and has been fixed.


Orly?

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2014-09-18 10:47:32 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its an exploit and has been fixed.


Orly?


We broke it again didn't we....
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#13 - 2014-09-18 10:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
CCP ruled it an exploit and as it is their server, their code and their game that makes it an exploit.

I doubt you'll change that.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-09-18 11:38:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its an exploit and has been fixed.


Orly?


We broke it again didn't we....



POS's.....ccps' joy. New and exciting ways to pos bowl and sometimes pos's go from NBSI to Shoot anything (including blues) on patch days.


Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-09-18 11:40:01 UTC
OP, you should probably post this in the discussion thread for the actual change...
Belen Shields
Iskender Kebap Corp
#16 - 2014-09-18 11:54:02 UTC
colera deldios wrote:
frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:
make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy


It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image.


Dropping a mcu only cures the symptom and is not touching the roots of the disease. It is an exploit. Period.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2014-09-18 11:55:23 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its an exploit and has been fixed.


Orly?


We broke it again didn't we....



POS's.....ccps' joy. New and exciting ways to pos bowl and sometimes pos's go from NBSI to Shoot anything (including blues) on patch days.




We still get twitchy when people mention the skynet tower.
colera deldios
#18 - 2014-09-18 12:16:01 UTC
Belen Shields wrote:
colera deldios wrote:
frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:
make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy


It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image.


Dropping a mcu only cures the symptom and is not touching the roots of the disease. It is an exploit. Period.


By that logic let's make CONCORD kill everyone in HS the second they lock someone. Or make all ships in HS indestructible, or maybe add 3 Are you sure Dialog windows after you press Jump To on a Titan. Let's also make scamming and stealing bannable, lets give carriers insta warp any other stupid idea there is...

Lets also remove bumping overall, bumping carriers out of RR range, bumping ship off undock, lets give every ship in game +1000 warp strength. I mean warp core stab only cures the warp scram/disrupt symptoms but +1000 cures it.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-09-18 12:22:49 UTC
colera deldios wrote:
Belen Shields wrote:
colera deldios wrote:
frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:
make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy


It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image.


Dropping a mcu only cures the symptom and is not touching the roots of the disease. It is an exploit. Period.


By that logic let's make CONCORD kill everyone in HS the second they lock someone. Or make all ships in HS indestructible, or maybe add 3 Are you sure Dialog windows after you press Jump To on a Titan. Let's also make scamming and stealing bannable, lets give carriers insta warp any other stupid idea there is...

Lets also remove bumping overall, bumping carriers out of RR range, bumping ship off undock, lets give every ship in game +1000 warp strength. I mean warp core stab only cures the warp scram/disrupt symptoms but +1000 cures it.



None of those things have been declared exploits.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2014-09-18 12:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ka'Narlist
The problem is not bumping itself, but bumping an invisible part of the ship that doesn't belong to its model.

baltec1 wrote:
Its an exploit and has been fixed.

No unfortunatly not, but it got bandaided.


Danika Princip wrote:
None of those things have been declared exploits.

Well neither has this cyno bumping as far as I am aware.
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