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GamerGate Part 1: The Path We've Taken 9/28

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-09-18 02:26:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
colay Starwolf wrote:


how does anyone being attacked make all the journalists did ok calling all gamer scum attack after attack all the crap like inde fund
look harder. yes death mails are bad but that does not make all you do its name ok.



Try not to get lost in the weeds. Different actions have different degrees of severity. Temper your outrage accordingly.


A group (gamers in this case) issuing death threats to journalists (lets use that term loosely) who may be insulting them in media speaks volumes for how much improvement in human behavior there is left to be made in the community. No amount of yellow journalism is a justification for that sort of reaction.

Your outrage for crappy articles should be secondary to your reaction to members of your own community behaving in a manner than law enforcement considers to be a serious crime.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#22 - 2014-09-18 02:43:25 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
(gamers in this case)

The exact source is not really verifiable. Considering they use victimization as their main narrative for their whole agenda and the fact they work together with a PR firm which deploys somewhat fishy tactics in opinion manipulation, those threats could have all been from themselves to paint the ones they try to criticise as the deplorable individuals they want them to be seen as.

Until the authorities come up with some results in their investigation, the origin of those threats is somewhat dubious.

Not saying they were exclusively from them, the internet is filled with enough people that there will always be some idiot going overboard one way or another. It's just highly suspicious how one sided the media coverage is and how much effort is exerted to suppress any discussion of the whole topic.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-09-18 02:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Abrazzar wrote:

The exact source is not really verifiable.




I wasn't much into playing a game before I played EVE. Maybe it's an inaccurate label, but I consider myself a gamer. The motivations for the threat and doxxing were unmistakably gaming motivated (a need to retaliate, or preserve games as they might be, or whatever it is).

Not speaking as a female, but as a gamer.. like anyone else on this forum it reflects on me when people of the community behave in a way that endangers other human beings. We collectively interact with each other, and as human beings we should try to figure out what sorts of things the community should crack down on.

Bad articles? Of course. As a higher priority than doxxing and death threats? In my personal opinion.. no.


*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#24 - 2014-09-18 02:54:30 UTC
Yeah, and I guess I should clarify, as I said earlier I just very quickly skimmed a couple of the linked articles. I didn't know death threats and whatnot had been made. That's just plain stupid.

I saw the dreaded term SJW, and like a libertarian on vicodin and benzos, I pounced! YAR!!Twisted

I guess to be blunt, I wanted to toss around some politics and it really was neither appropriate nor germane to the topic at hand.

SO, I am indeed outraged that we know have laws in the US regulating our toilets and lightbulbs, etc. But, well, that rly wasn't the topic. Although I agree with the guy that said SJW's are a hate group. What can I say, it tripped my trigger Oops

Anyway, the problem with bogus "journalism" is that most people believe it anyway. Look at the macrocosm of (again)most people thinking that if they said it on TV, on "The News," we'll ffs of course it's true!"

So, at this hour I am once again playing with my chemistry set and thus not thinking clearly, but I say propaganda should be fought vehemently, but also the only way to get those damn "most people" to even listen to you is to take the moral high ground at all times, and that means you dont do dumb $hit like making death threats and whatever else that crazy girl with all the ****************************'s in her post said. It must be some bad stuff P



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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#25 - 2014-09-18 02:59:08 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
, those threats could have all been from themselves to paint the ones they try to criticise as the deplorable individuals they want them to be seen as.


Yes, it's called a"False Flag," a tactic which has been used all throughout recorded history by governments.


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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-09-18 03:05:24 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
, those threats could have all been from themselves to paint the ones they try to criticise as the deplorable individuals they want them to be seen as.


Yes, it's called a"False Flag," a tactic which has been used all throughout recorded history by governments.




Yes, the yellow journalist may have constructed this as a way to attract more attention (her appetite for marketing is known).


But then you find stuff like this which publishes her phone number (for example) and Occam's Razor seems to dictate that the death threat was from the type of source we all think it is from.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#27 - 2014-09-18 03:15:16 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
, those threats could have all been from themselves to paint the ones they try to criticise as the deplorable individuals they want them to be seen as.


Yes, it's called a"False Flag," a tactic which has been used all throughout recorded history by governments.




Yes, the yellow journalist may have constructed this as a way to attract more attention (her appetite for marketing is known).


But then you find stuff like this which publishes her phone number (for example) and Occam's Razor seems to dictate that the death threat was from the type of source we all think it is from.



Yeaaahhhh.....

idk, because to tell you the truth, I support "doxing" government employees and local police officers. A man I greatly admire was arrested for publishing the names and phone numbers of every employee at the IRS office in his town. I believe ultimately there was nothing to REALLY charge him with. So, I dont wanna get off on apolitical rant.

BUT - Doxing a private citizen? Perhaps therein I can make the distinction, or draw a line. I think I will, there's my opinion on the matter. But that said, shouldnt there be consequences for her bullshit too? idk

too.. much ...talk... lol

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colay Starwolf
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2014-09-18 03:18:51 UTC
i might have been playing eve to long but that fez scam seems like it was done by noobs Pirate

EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game

Lady Areola Fappington
#29 - 2014-09-18 03:19:38 UTC
Over in the Real world, with Real People, #gamergate is just a thing to point at and go "Look at those silly virgin gamers being jelly over someone getting some".

I've yet to meet a not-gamer person who understands what #gamergate is about. It's all "Jelly virgins are jelly".

Amusing, that.

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Catherine Frasier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-09-18 04:40:27 UTC
colay Starwolf wrote:
you dont get it the SJW are a hate group. SJW talk about fairness and equality but only want it done in a way that s right by what the SJW think. So eve cant have 4 empires has to have a woman only empire filled with clones. a cat person empire a gay empire.
You realize that that hasn't actually happened, right? That's just some absurd, paranoid fantasy in which some random woman nobody had even heard of a couple of weeks ago secretly wields the awesome power to force the fifteen billion dollar gaming industry to do... something. It's one teeny step from there to faked moon landings and HAARP conspiracies.

Now the death threats, threats of sexual assault, threats to bomb public gatherings made by those you apparently support, those are all too real. Real enough and blatant enough that the FBI approached the IGDA and said "Hey, do you need our help?" There is an incredible imbalance in power here and you appear to be cheering and salivating that poor helpless Godzilla needs to do whatever is necessary to defend itself from the evil, jackbooted thug, Bambi.

Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-09-18 05:30:40 UTC
So, the gaming review/report sites are biased, paid off, and full of crap? Shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone. If you have watched reviews on sites like meta-critic for the last few years, it's been incredibly easy to see the HUGE disconnect between people who actually play the game, and those who are paid to write about it.

The easy solution is to just stop using sites that promote all of this crap. The less clicks they get, the less revenue they get, the sooner they dry up and realize that gaming shitlord misogynists destroyed their careers, or however they choose to describe not being listened to.
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#32 - 2014-09-18 07:22:52 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
, those threats could have all been from themselves to paint the ones they try to criticise as the deplorable individuals they want them to be seen as.


Yes, it's called a"False Flag," a tactic which has been used all throughout recorded history by governments.




Yes, the yellow journalist may have constructed this as a way to attract more attention (her appetite for marketing is known).


But then you find stuff like this which publishes her phone number (for example) and Occam's Razor seems to dictate that the death threat was from the type of source we all think it is from.



I hope the term 'yellow' journalist isn't a racist term....
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-09-18 08:24:24 UTC
Themanfromdalmontee wrote:


I hope the term 'yellow' journalist isn't a racist term....


There are no racist connotations to the term:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#34 - 2014-09-18 08:39:33 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Over in the Real world, with Real People, #gamergate is just a thing to point at and go "Look at those silly virgin gamers being jelly over someone getting some".

I've yet to meet a not-gamer person who understands what #gamergate is about. It's all "Jelly virgins are jelly".

Amusing, that.

Are all the non-gamers you meet really that immature? And they actually use "Jelly" in conversation?

Now that's amusing.


As an aside, I'm a gamer and I have no idea what this gamergate is about besides some idiots threatening someone.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#35 - 2014-09-18 09:07:27 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
As an aside, I'm a gamer and I have no idea what this gamergate is about besides some idiots threatening someone.

Not surprising, considering you would be hard pressed to find any other information about GamerGate on any of the related media outlets because they all work together in this. Suspected since the concerted release of the Gamers are Dead articles and verified with the finding of a google groups mailing list.
Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
#36 - 2014-09-18 09:16:15 UTC
Some people take gaming too seriously.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#37 - 2014-09-18 10:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Talas Dir wrote:
Some people take gaming too seriously.

It's more like: People are really getting sick of social marxists and hipsters with communications degrees b*tting into every walk of society unquestioned and unopposed, shoving their "message" of equality and acceptance - or rather, their version of it - into everybodies faces... I know I am.

I'm a "member" of more then one of their imagined "oppressed groups", and I don't need those social justice demagogs to fight my battles, while misrepresenting everyone around them, their side and the opposing one, just to make a quick buck of of an industry they have no business in nore care for.

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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#38 - 2014-09-18 11:42:53 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Talas Dir wrote:
Some people take gaming too seriously.

It's more like: People are really getting sick of social marxists and hipsters with communications degrees b*tting into every walk of society unquestioned and unopposed, shoving their "message" of equality and acceptance - or rather, their version of it - into everybodies faces... I know I am.

I'm a "member" of more then one of their imagined "oppressed groups", and I don't need those social justice demagogs to fight my battles, while misrepresenting everyone around them, their side and the opposing one, just to make a quick buck of of an industry they have no business in nore care for.



THIS^

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-09-18 13:28:29 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
It's more like: People are really getting sick of social marxists and hipsters with communications degrees b*tting into every walk of society unquestioned and unopposed, shoving their "message" of equality and acceptance - or rather, their version of it - into everybodies faces... I know I am.

I'm a "member" of more then one of their imagined "oppressed groups", and I don't need those social justice demagogs to fight my battles, while misrepresenting everyone around them, their side and the opposing one, just to make a quick buck of of an industry they have no business in nore care for.


Would you send death threats to these "social justice demagogues" because you disagree with them?


Did you have an opinion about people who doxx and threaten people they disagree with?

You just called some people "social Marxists" and "hipsters". Do you think it would be OK for someone to have a disproportionate reaction to that?


Or is terrible gaming journalism your highest concern in this issue?


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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#40 - 2014-09-18 13:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Derrick Miles wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Over in the Real world, with Real People, #gamergate is just a thing to point at and go "Look at those silly virgin gamers being jelly over someone getting some".

I've yet to meet a not-gamer person who understands what #gamergate is about. It's all "Jelly virgins are jelly".

Amusing, that.

Are all the non-gamers you meet really that immature? And they actually use "Jelly" in conversation?

Now that's amusing.


As an aside, I'm a gamer and I have no idea what this gamergate is about besides some idiots threatening someone.



Actually, outside of a peanut-butter (or napalm) context I've never heard the term used at all. Must be a British thing.

As far as #gamergate goes, its more along the lines of 'insufferable feminist 'gaming journalist' (Pfffft, I know, right?) uses her position to regularly inflict her *) viewpoint on guys who just want to read game reviews. When it comes out that she fucks her way to the top, guys sick of her crap start trolling hard, and she screams 'internetRape'. Other whipped 'gaming journalists' (I really have a hard time keeping a straight face using that term....) think white knighting her will get them laid and write angry little screeds about the tyranny of male-dominated gaming culture -*) Lol

Or at least I think thats the gist of it.


*) = *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.