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Dev blog: Some NPCs Just Want to Watch the World Burn

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#41 - 2014-09-17 21:21:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Now, where are the *) graphs on how many people left wormholes after your *) patch....


*) = *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show.

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-09-17 21:24:09 UTC
Rookie ships are the 3rd most lost frigate in burner missions...now that's funny. Lol
Ned Black
Driders
#43 - 2014-09-17 21:26:01 UTC
So... the total loss is 850-900ish billions and the total loot drop is 2-2.5ish billion...

Seems like the risk/reward aspect of burner missions is a tad bit... off...
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-09-17 21:26:17 UTC
Nenwe wrote:
yawn more frigates... still not interested wasting time with these.

When cruiser burners come around maybe then...

But what i really are waiting for are BS size burners now that would be something (BS size vvessels dishing out over 1000dps with all the EW in game Let the real battle commence and fireworks alone would be sight to see) frigates look like peashooters after that)

(and still when you take into account how hard these things are i just cannot justify the risk/reward on frigate size burners)



Maybe they could add lvl 5 burners with a battleship primary and cruiser & frig escorts?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#45 - 2014-09-17 21:28:14 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ah c'mon!
Even if you don't have an insta-undock point set (which is pretty silly), there is a moon almost directly in line with the undock to warp to. You have to be almost criminally negligent to lose a frigate on the JIta undock.

Yes, everyone should have an insta-undock - but a lot don't. I guess we'll chalk those ships up to the Burner gods...

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As to the rest of your post, I'm sure they'll get around to burner missions for larger ships eventually... although those will likely have a little different dynamic. Frigate combat tends to, shall we say, rely on a different skill set compared to larger vessels. Smile

Which is somewhat odd since by the time you're farming L4s you're either in a strategic cruiser or battleship… In any event, 84.7% of players declining these missions speaks volumes. If the numbers were reversed I'd be a bit more encouraged.

I think everyone knew from the outset that these would have a lot of people that would turn them down... especially at first when everyone is trying to figure out how to succeed with them.

They are far more difficult and personal skill intensive than a run of the mill level 4 farm fest.

Thats' kinda the whole point... not everyone will be capable of doing them (at least at first) and will need to develop the fits and personal skills to do so.

The only thing I'm surprised about is that the acceptance level right off the bat has been so high, as most mission runners tend to be very profit oriented and more than a bit risk adverse. Which is somewhat understandable, it's their bread and butter after all (I suppose).

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Sunrise Aigele
Pemberley Enterprises
#46 - 2014-09-17 21:51:12 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
They are far more difficult and personal skill intensive than a run of the mill level 4 farm fest.

Thats' kinda the whole point... not everyone will be capable of doing them (at least at first) and will need to develop the fits and personal skills to do so.


This is me. I was all excited to do them. Then they arrived and I saw that I had a lot of training to do. For example, I have been training Science skills so intently that the only T2 frigates I can fly are CovOps. I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will.

Ranger 1 wrote:
The only thing I'm surprised about is that the acceptance level right off the bat has been so high, as most mission runners tend to be very profit oriented and more than a bit risk adverse. Which is somewhat understandable, it's their bread and butter after all (I suppose).


You should not be surprised. Not everyone does.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2014-09-17 21:56:05 UTC
Sunrise Aigele wrote:
I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will.


****. Now I'm going to spend all weekend trying to beat a Burner mission with an Anathema.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#48 - 2014-09-17 22:08:06 UTC
Sunrise Aigele wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
They are far more difficult and personal skill intensive than a run of the mill level 4 farm fest.

Thats' kinda the whole point... not everyone will be capable of doing them (at least at first) and will need to develop the fits and personal skills to do so.


This is me. I was all excited to do them. Then they arrived and I saw that I had a lot of training to do. For example, I have been training Science skills so intently that the only T2 frigates I can fly are CovOps. I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will.

Ranger 1 wrote:
The only thing I'm surprised about is that the acceptance level right off the bat has been so high, as most mission runners tend to be very profit oriented and more than a bit risk adverse. Which is somewhat understandable, it's their bread and butter after all (I suppose).


You should not be surprised. Not everyone does.

Fairly spoken, and I did not mean to make that sound like a blanket statement.

A lot of mission runners, well really many players in general, skip over learning how to use the smaller vessels well in their quest to get into larger ships as quickly as possible. It's understandable, larger vessels tend to be more profitable, but it doesn't prepare a player for something like this.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#49 - 2014-09-17 22:09:06 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sunrise Aigele wrote:
I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will.


****. Now I'm going to spend all weekend trying to beat a Burner mission with an Anathema.

GO FOZZIE GO. You can DO IT!

And be sure to record it. Big smile

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-09-17 22:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Ranger 1 wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Now, where are the *) graphs on how many people left wormholes after your *) patch....


*) = *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show.


I'll be honest here. I'd love to see CCP come out with graphs saying "we dun goofed" and then reverse the changes. But at this point, I'll take any graphs, even if they prove me wrong, because that will at least TELL me that CCP isn't trying to sweep it under the carpet.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-09-17 22:13:08 UTC
"The most characters involved in any single Burner’s destruction is 32, and a total of five Burner were engaged by 29 or more characters before dying."

lol pussies.

Hey guys.
ISquishWorms
#52 - 2014-09-17 22:15:15 UTC
I am enjoying these missions, thanks for adding more of them with different scenarios. Smile

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2014-09-17 22:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Now, where are the *) graphs on how many people left wormholes after your *) patch....

*) = *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show.


I'll be honest here. I'd love to see CCP come out with graphs saying "we dun goofed" and then reverse the changes. But at this point, I'll take any graphs, even if they prove me wrong, because that will at least TELL me that CCP isn't trying to sweep it under the carpet.


Once we're done communicating the Oceanus changes I'm planning to put some of the stats surrounding wormholes into a form fit for public consumption. The sneak peek is: overall changes have been surprisingly small (in both directions).

Game Designer | Team Five-0

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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-09-17 22:40:04 UTC
Fozzie, is there a chance you could share any truly triumphant against-all-the-odds burner kills?

Has anyone killed one in a T1 Frigate, for example?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#55 - 2014-09-17 23:21:21 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
Fozzie, is there a chance you could share any truly triumphant against-all-the-odds burner kills?

Has anyone killed one in a T1 Frigate, for example?

Unless the figures include OGB's and Logi on grid who never shot at the burner (From the sounds of it they just used the combat logs of the burners, so those with 29+ for example weren't 29 on grid at the same time?) you won't be getting a really accurate representation anyway.
Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-09-17 23:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Galphii
84.7% of level 4 runners skipping them could indeed be the result of training the wrong skill set, given that regular missions suitable for frigates (level 1 & 2) are hardly challenging. Given these burner missions are level 4, it'd be great to see a progression of these sorts of missions so players can start out with something similar at level 2 (less risk, less reward) and progress from there, essentially training players with proper fitting skills and some pvp basics along the way. Once large burner missions are brought in (cruiser, battleship etc) then you've got the underpinnings of a replacement mission system, provided the content starts getting dynamic too!

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-09-18 00:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Now, where are the *) graphs on how many people left wormholes after your *) patch....

*) = *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show.


I'll be honest here. I'd love to see CCP come out with graphs saying "we dun goofed" and then reverse the changes. But at this point, I'll take any graphs, even if they prove me wrong, because that will at least TELL me that CCP isn't trying to sweep it under the carpet.


Once we're done communicating the Oceanus changes I'm planning to put some of the stats surrounding wormholes into a form fit for public consumption. The sneak peek is: overall changes have been surprisingly small (in both directions).


Sweet. Can't wait to eat my words.

And on that note, we need a consumable item "Your Words" with description "Eat them"
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#58 - 2014-09-18 01:21:26 UTC
Hawks are dying. That's enough to make me happy.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#59 - 2014-09-18 01:24:16 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
And on that note, we need a consumable item "Your Words" with description "Eat them"

Special Edition Fedo?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
MrWalter White
Breaking Bad Corp
#60 - 2014-09-18 01:58:28 UTC
i just love the dev blog title that is a quote from captain marcus in the first epi of last resort tv series

was there a loot table regarding what items drop from the burner's burning wreck Roll