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PvE Option?

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galcommander
Have Some Grapes
#1 - 2014-09-17 21:58:25 UTC
A GM suggested i post this idea and I am sure I will get a bunch of you're just whiny comments BUT, here is my idea anyway.

I personally don't and have never played Eve for PvP, it doesn't interest me at all, I think the gate campers ruined my desire for that. SO, my idea is to have a PvE option you can enable to prevent attacking others or being attacked by others ever.

Now I could see how that could be abused, I could annoy a bunch of folks and then just turn it on and laugh. So I think if it was implemented it should be like a remap, maybe if you turn it off and attack someone, you cant turn it back on for 12 months or something.

This option lets people like me, who just want to explore, just explore without getting gate camped...which seems to be something perhaps I have never figured out how to defend against....seems there is nothing but death if you are gate camped. I think this lets folks who want the full Eve experience of piracy, theft and blowing each other up to do their things....while folks like me who want the experience of exploration without the craziness of being attacked left and right by lunatics enjoy our portion of Eve and only need to worry about the CPU based craziness that we CHOOSE to run into. Might also get to see more of Eve than just the lil portion that is semi safe. Could even have areas in Eve that over-ride the PvE so if you fly into it, then you can keep the option on, but you might wanna hold onto your eject button :)

Just a thought. But with my character being so old, and having earned my Eve bruises over the years I think I am entitled to my observation. Given the amount of time and IRL money I have spent on this game, I don't think I want to keep pumping more and more money and time in to earn back stuff that folks take from me just cos I jumped through the wrong gate :)

ok Eve trolls, have at me
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-09-17 22:05:41 UTC
I'm not sure you're playing the correct game...
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-09-17 22:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
......

Now that we have that out of the way, there are so many ways for this to be abused its not even funny.

Also, a cloaky nullified T3 already does exactly what you want, runs gate camps with total impunity, scans down sites, runs combat sites, runs profession sites, and travels at a reasonable speed.
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
#4 - 2014-09-17 22:23:06 UTC
So, I could set this flag on my freighter alt and autopilot all over 0.0 space?

Right.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#5 - 2014-09-17 22:24:10 UTC
If you havent found a way around gate camps when you are meant to be exploring AND you are an old character. Then you just havent been trying hard enough or are just thick...

As a brand new player i fitted up my vexor and spent a couple months in lowsec doing exploration sites....I didnt lose a single exploration ship, despite many people trying.


Nullsec isnt too much harder. You just need more specialised ships.As the post above me stated you can have bubble immunity as a T3 and carry all the mods to refit to do DED sites in your cargo.



This is EVE...Its a PvP game. If you dont like straight up fighting, then your version of PvP is avoiding getting caught.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2014-09-17 22:25:37 UTC
Go play Star Trek Online, it's what you want anyway.

Don't try and ruin EVE for everyone else just because you're playing it wrong.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Rendiff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-09-17 22:27:57 UTC
Shoogie wrote:
So, I could set this flag on my freighter alt and autopilot all over 0.0 space?

Right.



This ^
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#8 - 2014-09-17 22:32:56 UTC
Quote:
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . --CCP Soundwave


It's not an empty quote, but just in case.
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2014-09-17 22:41:07 UTC
galcommander wrote:
Make EvE not EvE because I don't want to play EvE, I want WoW in space.

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just typed that sentence instead.

I, for one, play this game because I enjoy the fact that whatever I happen to be doing, and I've damn near done it all by now, I'm not completely safe. The fact that there is no cheat mode in EvE is the main draw for me. Yes, a PvP flag is a cheat mode, because if you never turn it on, you risk nothing, and therefore can make isk without any danger of losing any isk.

Yes, you are entitled to your observations. What you are not entitled to is ruining the game for all the rest of us that have learned to play it within the existing rule set, and can even thrive when CCP alters the rules.

Slight aside topic, not necessarily off topic. Has anyone other than me noticed the most recent trend of nerf highsec PvP threads have totally abandoned any attempts to get little nerfs through? I guess after the last rounds where they asked for stronger ships, and got them, the "one more nerf" carebears are now going hardcore for the total ban of PvP in highsec.
Haakaa PaaIIe
Holey Rolling Empire
#10 - 2014-09-17 23:36:24 UTC
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#11 - 2014-09-18 03:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
It is becoming clear to me that a lot of people are now playing MMOs who have no idea what "Trammel" is or what it did to Ultima Online. So for those people, let me leave something educational in this thread:

Ultima Online was a PvP-based MMO. You could kill or be killed anywhere - in town, the guards would come for you right quick, but outside of towns no guards would come. The only thing that happened was some infamy, which certain players enjoyed and took pride in. As I understand it, some of the original developers of EVE were in fact quite high in infamy indeed.

Death was harsh - you lost all your stuff when you died/were killed, as I recall. You could get it back, but only if someone else hadn't looted it from your corpse first.

Then one day, for reasons unknown to me, the company behind Ultima Online introduced "Trammel", an alternate universe of sorts where PvP was disabled. They thought that the hardcore players would stay in the normal world while the carebears would go to Trammel and that both places would exist harmoniously and successfully.

It was, in fact, quite literally the death of that game.

So if you think that EVE Online needs to be Trammelized as well ... well, you can kindly go bugger yourself in the arse with a hot fireplace poker, please. Unfortunately for everyone, EVE isn't the game for you and it's time to admit it to yourself.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#12 - 2014-09-18 03:20:25 UTC
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#13 - 2014-09-18 04:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
I have wondered....do gm's actually say to post this stuff here?


Or Is it just among the other opening lines like

I have an idea don't know if its ever been brought up before.....

PLease excuse my English, its my second language.....then its written better than some native speakers' posts


GM's....what say you? If true is this a clever ploy to avoid giving bad customer service giving an answer they won't like?

Or do you like to give us low hanging fruit for easy pickings?

Or do these people lie to us lol?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#14 - 2014-09-18 04:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Zan Shiro wrote:
I have wondered....do gm's actually say to post this stuff here?

GM's....what say you? If true is this a clever ploy to avoid giving bad customer service giving an answer they won't like?

Or do you like to give us low hanging fruit for easy pickings?

Or do these people lie to us lol?

Can't it be all of the above?

I like to imagine the GMs cackling in their cubicles as they send some poor sod here with an idea they know will go down in flames.

It reminds me of a joke:

An overweight man passes by a gym and sees a sign. It reads "Pay $10, lose 5 lbs!!"

The man is intrigued and goes in. He pays the fee and is asked to enter into a large field. When he enters a rather beautiful athletic woman asks him to strip down. When he does so, she undresses too and says, "Okay... if you can catch me within 30 minutes then you can do anything you want to me."
The man's eye glaze over as the woman runs off and he gives chase.
After 30 minutes the man has not caught the woman and goes home.

The next day, the man weighs himself. "Sonofabitch... it worked!"
So the man goes back to the gym. There is a new sign that reads "Pay $20, lose 15 lbs!!"

The man goes in and pays the fee.
When he is lead into the field the man immediately strips down. He hears a noise behind him and turns around... only to be greeted by a big, overly muscled man staring down at him with a smirk and glazed expression. "If I catch YOU within the next 30 minutes... I get to do anything I want to do with YOU," he says.

The man starts running.
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
#15 - 2014-09-18 04:41:42 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
I have wondered....do gm's actually say to post this stuff here?


Or Is it just among the other opening lines like

I have an idea don't know if its ever been brought up before.....

PLease excuse my English, its my second language.....then its written better than some native speakers' posts


GM's....what say you? If true is this a clever ploy to avoid giving bad customer service giving an answer they won't like?

Or do you like to give us low hanging fruit for easy pickings?

Or do these people lie to us lol?



I'm curious myself.


At most a "PvE" option in EvE would be, ship safeties couldn't be set to red only in hi-sec. Characters with a sec status of -5 or lower (so those who can be shot freely by anyone in hi-sec) would then be exempt and allowed to switch their safety.

This would be the absolute closest EvE would get to a "PvE only option" and even that is unlikely.

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.

chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#16 - 2014-09-18 05:32:30 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:


Are u intentionally trying to mislead ppl? The article is about the difficult / learning curve when you first enter the game. When he says the "it isn't really hard" its in response to a remark about the game's difficulty. He goes on to say:

Quote:

I think we're just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that it's okay to lose. If you don't like sci-fi games, if you don't like spaceships, then this might not be a game for you. But if you really like spaceships and you can't get past the fifth page in the tutorial, then we're losing you for a stupid reason.

I'm confused as to how what you are quoting is even remotely related to the op.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-09-18 07:10:20 UTC
galcommander wrote:


ok Eve trolls, have at me


Drop the negative attitude towards the forum, and I bet you'll get a lot further.

To your idea: You're playing the wrong game my friend...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2014-09-18 07:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
chaosgrimm wrote:

I'm confused as to how what you are quoting is even remotely related to the op.


I'm not confused at all.

If they want to play a single player PvE game, then they don't want to play EVE Online. Their money and time are better spent elsewhere, and they should spare us all the forum whining trying to twist this game to suit them when the reality is that they have chosen poorly.

Someone who does this is the kind of player that is always okay to lose. Because they don't belong here anyway.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-09-18 11:06:01 UTC
I would maybe consider this if it were available in only .8 systems and higher and had a cooldown of, say, 6 months or so to prevent flip-flopping / abuse. It might help new player retention. Eventually they would wonder why everyone else is having more fun in the deep end of the pool and go see for themselves, or get bored and quit anyway. But, I'm fairly certain that changes this substantial would be well down the list behind current issues or bugs that may or may not be corrected for quite some time.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2014-09-18 11:12:58 UTC
OP, you have dozens of other games for what you want, EVE is not one of those games.
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