Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi guys,

I would like to present an idea I have. Some of you might say that it is too much anti-eve (the hardcore pvp-lers upon you probably), but I think some of the newer players would like it.

When I started playing EVE, pretty soon I encountered a yellow cargo with "free stuff, take it". So I did and got blasted in pieces (lost my first frig). Then I got myself a new one and had the bad idea to go through a lowsec system where I got killed by some gate camping "highwayman".
This is the usual way for new players to get to know PvP. This is not really much fun (for the new players) but its a good lesson. I mean, if you are so stupid to get into a lowsec system and you get podded or podkilled, yeah than you should have been thinking about what you do and it is entirely your fault. But this high sec scum that is "hunting" unexperienced player... I don´t know... I don´t like them, but you never steal from any cargo once you experienced sth. like that (unless you are into trap the high sec scum :)

Basically what I am missing in EVE is a possibility to train PvP without being killed 1000 times for nothing, which many of the new player cannot afford at the beginning.
You might say life is hard (and it is), but how does frustration help to improve the game experience?
So I thought - why is there no "Knightly Dueling" possibility in EVE?

This will work as follows:
- Dueling would be possible only in Highsec
- Everyone could duel everyone

Ships:
- Any ship could duel any other ship
- While flagging yourself for a duel you also could choose which type you would like to duel

Players:
- You could directly ask any other player who you see (is on the "radar") for a duel (new button or sth. like that)
- He/She can accept or refuse (after say 20 sec. automatic refuse)
- In case he/she refuses, you would have to wait for 10 min until you could ask him/her again
- You could flag yourself as NOT DUELING to automatically refuse such offers (not even show)

Communication
- An additional "window/search option" would be added to "map/HUD/chat window" where you could make up with other players for duels to train your skills and try out your fits
- The search would be system-wide so you always should find someone

The duels:
- Duels are "overseen" by CONCORD that is in the system so no security problems
- The duels would be in deadspace so every weapon can be used without harming other players (waypoint)
- At the beginning of the battle the players will be positioned 10 km from each other and have 30 sec to get to their range/target etc. (different values can be optionally set by the dueling players)
- You will fight until one ship gets the first hull damage therefore "first blood" or to "ship destruction" (both have to approve)
- After battle you will NOT be repaired automatically and all the damage has to be repaired
- Drones can be destroyed
- Players cannot be (podded and therefore not) podkilled during the duel
- You cannot warp away during the duel (and noone can warp to you)
- You cannot form fleets during the battle and to start battle both participants have to leave their fleets (in case they´re in one)

Profits:
You will get a "highsec" PvP possibility. That should be the ONE reason. You will get noob players who can try PvP and the older players who can teach them. This is a "secure" way of training, that is seen in ANY other mmo out there, so why not EVE?
I see all the pvpler screaming that a "secure" way of sth. in EVE is not good, that the highsec will become a dueling ground and so on. So what? Is it forbidden to new players to have fun in PvP without being killed by a party in lowsec or by a can-dropper?
You have 0.0 PvP, lowsec PvP so be it you will get highsec PvP as well (with less frustration).
And in the end you will get more players who overestimation of their own capabilities and go to lowsec to get killed...

Would anyone finds this concept interesting?
Any other thoughts and improvements?

first, Id like to direct you to a similar thread, that started on a grand scale but ended up more or less talking about duels.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457636#post457636

I agree that noobies shouldnt be preyed on the way they are (we need them to want to keep playing for ccp to survive), however there should be a limit to how much we pamper them. not allowing pod killing i agree with, if you were to engage in a duel, the pod should not be the target.

Although, I feel that duels should end in the destruction of the other's ship. other wise it would not be a duel at all. you could maybe have a "training" version of a duel, where it would auto stop and unlock everyones target when a hull has been breached. (this might be to restrictive though and uninteresting, because even a noob would love to be able to destroy the other persons ship). without risk there is no gain. If training duels were implimented I think they should react much like the beginners help channel, where it is only available for the first 1 to 2 mil sp (forget when it cuts off).

another idea for you, would be to allow people to specify a minimum or maximum sp in the duel. so some 5yr old player doesnt come along and accept your general request and insta pop you.

one thing that throws up a red flag for me, is the 3 minute delay for requesting a duel from an individual. this should be at 10 minutes. cause trust me, there are douche's out there that would spam you with 20 requests an hour. also implement a "block player requests" option.

+1 I do support some form of either dueling or as i petitioned in the other thread, arenas.

Hi,

thanks for the ideas.
I see your points.
As well as the fear of EVE turning into a dueling grounds.
As you said. there is a lot of potential in EVE. If CCP would like to get some new players to play EVE I think it is better to use the systems you already have and building new elements in, than implement sth. like captain quarters when there is so much inballance to correct :P
To be honest EVE is great, vast universe full of things you´d love to see and visit, many choices you can do and at least 90% of them are deadly (out of which 90% are just stupid self-destructing actions) and the only things moving around are players.
However you can´t really visit all the sides you want because you´d get killed very fast. You can´t do much in this vast universe of EVE because you cannot afford it. Either ISK-, skill- or corp-like. EVE has no real story that catches you, you won´t find many friendly players (most of them would scam their own gran for enough ISK :)
So if you´re a new player in EVE you will usually need a LOT of time to adapt. You need a good corp (some luck to get into one), some skills and you need ISK to get experienced in PvP (which as a noob you can´t really afford).
Players (the new players even more than others) need some positive experiences in a mmos pvp system, that can be very difficult to get in EVE.
I think that some, even if limited, dueling possibilities would help here...

Drop a can or get out.

No you cant have arena.

dark templar dont need dueling arenas jsut saying

Ok, so you are saying that it is not possible to have arenas or any possibility of duels because YOU just don´t like it...?
Thanks for this great ideas and thoughts :-P
It is quite interesting how most of EVE players have problems with something that should be a safe way of helping others to understand specific mechanics of the game...

Its eve you are playing not wow , you want pvp arena go back to wow.

Never played WoW, don´t like the concept, the graphics, the system, the people... :P
Played Guild Wars because of all the variations you could build around your char...
The reason why I play EVE is heaving fun, doing a mission in a while and enjoying the graphics and my corp.



Dear Salazar, as I am working round 12 - 14 hours a day in a hospital as a cardiologist and scientist, it is quite difficult for me to sit on my arse in front of the computer for days trying to train PvP in EVE. To write on this forum, I do mostly on my way home that takes 1.5 hours with train.
It is nice to have a sandbox if you have time for waiting somewhere for hours and training like that. However if you have a job and a real life (wife and friends) which you like, you will probably enjoy a "simpler ways of joy".
This simpler way of joy would be my idea. For all the people who have a complex life and have not much time to play (the casual players) this would really make their life easier when they want to train PvP in EVE.
Basically there is no difference in having a sandox and having a system like my idea. Only that the system would allow people to do Highsec PvP faster, easier and more often...
Cheers

I agree; Eve needs something like this. It helps newbies get a grip of some form of PvP, and adds a way for people who doesn't have time to find "Real" PvP in 0.0 a way to do what they like most of EvE.

The only reasons people gives against it are as solid as "WOW HAS THEM SO EVE MUST NOT".

Of course, everybody should really lose everything, etc. I'm against a "nothing lost" kind of arena.