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Wormhole Industry and Logistics
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Djorren en Bauldry
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-09-17 18:02:58 UTC
I have recently moved into a C4 with my corpmates and we've gotten ourselves completely moved in and comfortable. I've taken it upon myself to try and develop an efficient system for buying ore, salvage, and PI off of our members to either be used in corp production or shipped out and sold.

My question is, since contracting in the wormhole doesn't really work, what is the best way to run our operation? What are other corps doing? My hope is to streamline our buyback program so that our miners and site runners don't have to ship their loot to known space. What are some things people are doing to confront these issues and how do your corps run an efficient hole? Thank you for any advice.
Sarah Flinnley
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-09-17 18:21:54 UTC
The method I've seen used in the past is essentially a 'canister' method. Fill the can, name it with your name, and deposit it into a specific hangar. Everything in the can is sold to the corp. My old corp did this for sleeper loot, but it should work for ore as well. Anchored Secured can's in space would work as well if you don't want to clutter up the hangar with them.

If anyone has a better way, I'm all ears.
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#3 - 2014-09-17 18:26:24 UTC
stop, so u have few slaves to mine some ore and suck dat gas, and now u wanna some advices to command them properly? well, u should read some communistic propaganda books, make some corp mails with well colored explanation of the Great Idea ofyour business plans, some role giving would b nice also (slaves like to be called importantly) what else...ah and dont forget taxes for a POS fuel, actually this is the point where u should start from
Adarnof
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#4 - 2014-09-17 19:48:50 UTC
We used a pretty simple method: a read access hangar division and a google docs form. Members deposit the goods into a hangar division (they need only Query access, make sure they can't Take) and then submit an Evepraisal link.

Every once in a while a director audits the hangar to make sure people are actually depositing the stuff they claim to be. Not too challenging. As long as you don't right click -> stack all, the original stack quantities are preserved which makes matching them to submissions pretty easy.

Generating the Evepraisal link is also a walk in the park - set inventory to "list" mode (button in the top right of the inventory window if I recall, NOT THE X), select all things being deposited, copy & paste into the Evepraisal parser, push Submit. If people find a way to mess this up they deserve a medal. All they need to submit is the URL of the result window.

My corp used a form which accepted the name of the character depositing, the Evepraisal link, and the assessed value (this is shown in the Evepraisal result, but we wanted a crude estimate of payouts at a glance for budgeting). It's nice to consolidate things out-of-game instead of relying on EveMails.

While named cans would also work, this limits the size of goods being deposited. Bulky things like gas and ore would quickly outpace the can system. However cans are nice for things like blue loot and ribbons, as those stacks get messy fast.

And there ya go. A little bit of web-based infrastructure goes a long way to smooth operations.
Pro TIps
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-09-17 20:13:26 UTC
Enormous Freight Containers (250k m3) are a good way for your miners to drop off their ore at your POS and then consolidate it to a buyback hangar when they are done for the day. Just don't launch the cans someplace where they will be in your way, because you need a Freighter to scoop cans that large. Obviously you can't fly a Freighter into a C4.

When my corp did a lot of mining in W-space we used our Capital Ship Assembly Array for ore buybacks since it has a much larger storage capacity than the Corporate Hangar Array.

Good luck to you, brave W-space miners. I decided that wasn't the best use of my time.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-09-17 21:30:57 UTC
RudinV wrote:
stop, so u have few slaves to mine some ore and suck dat gas, and now u wanna some advices to command them properly? well, u should read some communistic propaganda books, make some corp mails with well colored explanation of the Great Idea ofyour business plans, some role giving would b nice also (slaves like to be called importantly) what else...ah and dont forget taxes for a POS fuel, actually this is the point where u should start from



While I look forward to RudinV's Little Red Book being published the OP could probably do with a little better advice on how to be a proper Space Communist.


So you have your bears drop everything they mine into an SMA or XLAA. Then a designated person, lets say Herrbert, comes along once a day and values everything dropped into the "WH LOOT" tab. Herrbert then accesses the corp wallet and pays out "shares" to those that dropped junk in the SMA tab. Then another person, typically a blockade runner or frieghter alt, hauls all the crap to the nearest trade hub (avoiding ganks if possible) and offloads said Sleeper blue poop and ore and re-fills the corp wallet.


Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
#7 - 2014-09-18 14:00:06 UTC
The way we do such things is along the lines...

- drop stuff in hangar
- write down amount on correct Google docs sheet
- receive payout once materials got converted into ISK

The general questions you need to answer for yourself are:


  • How much do you trust your corp mates?

The more you trust them the less time you need to invest (and this can easily become a fairly large amount of time) in controlling the numbers on your sheet versus the amount of stuff in the hangars. It will also affect how much hassle it will be for the guys who drop stuff. E.g. they will need cans in case you don't trust them them much but they can just dump it all into a big hangar if you trust what they write to your Google doc.


  • How good am I at developing custom application code that supports the whole project?

Once you get to a level where you can actually utilize the EVE API to pull data regarding your corp wallet transactions you can make big steps in reducing the effort. E.g. you will not want to pay out more ISK than you actually get on market. You actually want to pay out less since you need to cover certain costs (POS fuel, market tax, ISK reserve to cover disasters), the corp wallet API can help you a great deal to figure out the prices for which you actually sold to the market. Especially when you sell stuff via sell orders which you actively push (change the sell price). For our corp we use several scripts that monitor e.g. fuel purchases via the corp wallet or sleeper loot sales. So when I run to Jita to sell our sleeper loot I do not need to write down sales prices and calculate averages etc.. i just sell all that crap and run a script. 5 seconds later i know what average prices I sold all the different loot types, how many of them and what the difference is to the numbers folks wrote down. Compared to what we did when we started w-space ops this is a massive relief for the folks managing the corp payouts.


  • How much do you want to pay for the materials? How much tax does your corp need to run that whole show?

Well, you will need ISK to fuel towers and provide modules and ships, well if you want to. : )


In general, depending how active and how involved your corp members are and how many will sell stuff to your corp this operation you plan there easily got the potential to eat up your entire online time, if you got a real life to deal with as well. I strongly recommend to get some of your senior corp members involved to help with hauling and all that jazz.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#8 - 2014-09-18 17:13:29 UTC
Assuming you have a central pos, anchor a large, xlarge or advanced ship assembly array. Assign tabs out as noal but leave the last tab and label it "dump" no one but you has access. For ore, have them either put it in a can or just dump it in there with the exact amount they mined (so you can do payouts). If you want to do it right, tell the people to grab an iteron, label it with their name, put the stuff in there and then put it in dump. 200,000 m3 is roughly 4 iterons (the ore one, the PI one, etc). Have them submit a request for funds.

The hard part isn't that part, it's calculating payout. For sanity sake, you need to make a api scripted spreadsheet.

Yaay!!!!