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Dev blog: Some NPCs Just Want to Watch the World Burn

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gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#21 - 2014-09-17 17:38:21 UTC
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Looking at the breakdown of Burner Mission Outcomes, it’s clear that many pilots are taking advantage of the option to skip them freely, as almost 85% of the Burner Missions that have been offered have been turned down. This clearly demonstrates why the no-penalty design of Burner Missions was a good idea.


well, getting this missions 6 jumps away in 0.0 npc space may have something to do with it, also; about half the missions i got are over 3 jumps away...
like really, can't you guys do something about it, moving 6 jumps in 0.0 to complete a mission is a bit different than moving 6 jumps in empire...
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-09-17 17:53:02 UTC
Definitely looking forward to the new logistics burners, but I hope the logi frigs are strong enough that they don't just pop instantly to anything that looks at them.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#23 - 2014-09-17 17:56:02 UTC
gascanu wrote:
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Looking at the breakdown of Burner Mission Outcomes, it’s clear that many pilots are taking advantage of the option to skip them freely, as almost 85% of the Burner Missions that have been offered have been turned down. This clearly demonstrates why the no-penalty design of Burner Missions was a good idea.


well, getting this missions 6 jumps away in 0.0 npc space may have something to do with it, also; about half the missions i got are over 3 jumps away...
like really, can't you guys do something about it, moving 6 jumps in 0.0 to complete a mission is a bit different than moving 6 jumps in empire...


You have a frigate, as long as you look at least at the in-game map instead of moving blindly in, NullSec isn't that bad.

Hell, a few days ago I did the Caldari Epic Arc and moved about a dozen jumps around in Serpentis NullSec and never even met anyone.
Jackie Cane
Chaos Gate
#24 - 2014-09-17 18:04:32 UTC
These missions are so awesome. I was laughing so hard when i took frigate after frigate into my first burner and died over and over. It made me feel like a total nub again. Getting trolled by epic NPC's was so funny to me. Also I got a Domination 1MN MWD from my 2nd mission against the daredevil which was a fun surprise, I am eagerly waiting to see what you guys throw at us next :)
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#25 - 2014-09-17 19:02:51 UTC
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#26 - 2014-09-17 19:08:08 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I think this one may hold the new record for most graphs in one dev blog.

More like some Devs just like to see EVE burn… While it's nice to see more PvE content, the Burner missions can hardly be called an unqualified success as 84.7% of L4 mission runners are simply skipping them. As time goes on, I expect this ratio will climb above the 90% threshold as there's simply too much risk vs. reward (the graph you haven't shown is how many players got ganked undocking with Burner-specific Faction fits in Jita).

I'm not interested in perfecting my frigate skills or flying frigates, and I suspect that I'm not alone (numbers would seem to back this up). When are we going to see some expanded PvE for battlecruisers and battleships?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#27 - 2014-09-17 19:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I think this one may hold the new record for most graphs in one dev blog.

More like some Devs just like to see EVE burn… While it's nice to see more PvE content, the Burner missions can hardly be called an unqualified success as 84.7% of L4 mission runners are simply skipping them. As time goes on, I expect this ratio will climb above the 90% threshold as there's simply too much risk vs. reward (the graph you haven't shown is how many players got ganked undocking with Burner-specific Faction fits in Jita).

I'm not interested in perfecting my frigate skills or flying frigates, and I suspect that I'm not alone (numbers would seem to back this up). When are we going to see some expanded PvE for battlecruisers and battleships?

If a person is getting ganked undocking in a frigate in Jita, they probably don't need to be attempting burner missions in the first place.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#28 - 2014-09-17 19:17:18 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
If you're getting ganked undocking in a frigate in Jita, you probably don't need to be attempting burner missions in the first place.

Not after the first time...

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Terghon Tu
Rockbane Enterprises
#29 - 2014-09-17 19:28:59 UTC
Excellent breakdown. Answered a lot of my questions and curiosities, save for the most important one:

What ships are people using to successfully complete the burner missions? From the forum threads it appears that the Daredevil is the ship of choice.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#30 - 2014-09-17 19:37:45 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I think this one may hold the new record for most graphs in one dev blog.

More like some Devs just like to see EVE burn… While it's nice to see more PvE content, the Burner missions can hardly be called an unqualified success as 84.7% of L4 mission runners are simply skipping them. As time goes on, I expect this ratio will climb above the 90% threshold as there's simply too much risk vs. reward (the graph you haven't shown is how many players got ganked undocking with Burner-specific Faction fits in Jita).

I'm not interested in perfecting my frigate skills or flying frigates, and I suspect that I'm not alone (numbers would seem to back this up). When are we going to see some expanded PvE for battlecruisers and battleships?


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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2014-09-17 19:42:31 UTC
Samsara Toldya wrote:
Shoot a Serpentis Burner to lose standing to Serpentis.

Shoot an ex-Amarrian Burner to lose standing to...?
They are neither Amarr nor pirates.


We are going to be removing all standings loss for shooting any Burners in Oceanus. Even the pirate Burners are no longer recognized by their previous employers.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#32 - 2014-09-17 20:15:58 UTC
I find it's interesting that a quarter of all value is destroyed by NPCs. Destruction is the driver for the EVE economy, and 25% of that drive comes from the NPCs. If there was a copy of eve that was all PvE, it would only need to have the NPC destruction increased by a factor of 4 to get the same economic balance we have now.

If non-consensual PvP was cut out of high sec, my guess is the impact to the economy would be quite small, and easily made up by more burner type missions, or by adding some randomness to existing missions.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2014-09-17 20:17:38 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
If you're getting ganked undocking in a frigate in Jita, you probably don't need to be attempting burner missions in the first place.

Not after the first time...

Ah c'mon!
Even if you don't have an insta-undock point set (which is pretty silly), there is a moon almost directly in line with the undock to warp to. You have to be almost criminally negligent to lose a frigate on the JIta undock.

As to the rest of your post, I'm sure they'll get around to burner missions for larger ships eventually... although those will likely have a little different dynamic. Frigate combat tends to, shall we say, rely on a different skill set compared to larger vessels. Smile

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#34 - 2014-09-17 20:18:36 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I find it's interesting that a quarter of all value is destroyed by NPCs. Destruction is the driver for the EVE economy, and 25% of that drive comes from the NPCs. If there was a copy of eve that was all PvE, it would only need to have the NPC destruction increased by a factor of 4 to get the same economic balance we have now.

If non-consensual PvP was cut out of high sec, my guess is the impact to the economy would be quite small, and easily made up by more burner type missions, or by adding some randomness to existing missions.


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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#35 - 2014-09-17 20:18:58 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I find it's interesting that a quarter of all value is destroyed by NPCs. Destruction is the driver for the EVE economy, and 25% of that drive comes from the NPCs. If there was a copy of eve that was all PvE, it would only need to have the NPC destruction increased by a factor of 4 to get the same economic balance we have now.

If non-consensual PvP was cut out of high sec, my guess is the impact to the economy would be quite small, and easily made up by more burner type missions, or by adding some randomness to existing missions.

Possibly, right up until the population numbers dropped so low that it doesn't matter anymore. Blink

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#36 - 2014-09-17 20:27:03 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ah c'mon!
Even if you don't have an insta-undock point set (which is pretty silly), there is a moon almost directly in line with the undock to warp to. You have to be almost criminally negligent to lose a frigate on the JIta undock.

Yes, everyone should have an insta-undock - but a lot don't. I guess we'll chalk those ships up to the Burner gods...

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As to the rest of your post, I'm sure they'll get around to burner missions for larger ships eventually... although those will likely have a little different dynamic. Frigate combat tends to, shall we say, rely on a different skill set compared to larger vessels. Smile

Which is somewhat odd since by the time you're farming L4s you're either in a strategic cruiser or battleship… In any event, 84.7% of players declining these missions speaks volumes. If the numbers were reversed I'd be a bit more encouraged.

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Agrippa Arkaral
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2014-09-17 20:42:36 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Samsara Toldya wrote:
Shoot a Serpentis Burner to lose standing to Serpentis.

Shoot an ex-Amarrian Burner to lose standing to...?
They are neither Amarr nor pirates.


We are going to be removing all standings loss for shooting any Burners in Oceanus. Even the pirate Burners are no longer recognized by their previous employers.


Have you considered adding a faction standing bonus for killing one of the ex-empire employed burners?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-09-17 21:00:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Now, where are the *) graphs on how many people left wormholes after your *) patch....


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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#39 - 2014-09-17 21:02:00 UTC
the player who died in a BS to a burner NPC should receive a medal

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-09-17 21:16:53 UTC
I enjoyed the Burner Missions a lot, the payout aka ISK/h or better LP/h is good maybe a bit to high. Like you need at average 5min from docking to docking with an average of 9k LP in a 0.5 System per mission.
I think i did about 30 of them so far by declining normal missions a lot to get more Burner missions, the loot is quiet nice i got 3 good moduls totaling ~150m extra and lots of pirate ammo.

Anyway my question about the new Burner missions with triple frigs, two of them logistic ones, will neuts working on them or not? As of now NPCs are neut immune so it might be difficult to solo the new Burner missions as you have to break the logis with DPS first or restore to very high alpha to ignore the logis.

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