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stewie Zanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-09-17 16:06:09 UTC
G day all,
I've reactivated 2 of my account's out of 38 i have.
I've gone back to my old area's i used to mine that used carry 50+ miners, now down to 4 random's. i left due fact i wasn't happy with few the changes ccp has done, Look's like i wasn't alone, high sec mining disappear , the standard mining barges can't handle their tank against a destroyer, should we come back in another 10 months to see if things have change ?

Was it really ccp goal to scare off the care bears??

just too note some of the high sec area's have i visited, rocks are the size you would see in null sec.
Chi Ana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-09-17 16:28:51 UTC
Your tears just made my day
Gabriel Rova
Distant Light Syndicate
#3 - 2014-09-17 16:59:46 UTC
38 accounts?? Wtf??

Get a life. Eve isn't really that good.
To answer your question... CCP massively caters to large corps and alliance lemmings.
As a person with a real life, meaning wife, kids and a job, EVE has become a game I can't seem to get enjoyment out of with the limited time I have to play... I can't play 8 plus hours a day seven days a week.
Maybe I'm missing something.

Looking forward to giving Star Citizen a shot when that comes out
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2014-09-17 17:06:55 UTC
Is that you, stewie? If yes, go ask your russian friends :)

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2014-09-17 19:31:04 UTC
stewie Zanjoahir wrote:
high sec mining disappeared
Sure, come on back. Go to an ice field -- you'll find some company.
Ginger Barbarella
#6 - 2014-09-17 20:51:35 UTC
38 accounts? No, CCP is still just as harsh on botters as they always have been. Stick with WoW.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2014-09-18 01:34:16 UTC
stewie Zanjoahir wrote:
G day all,
I've reactivated 2 of my account's out of 38 i have.


For the love of god stay away. You are everything that is wrong with this game.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#8 - 2014-09-18 02:30:09 UTC
stewie Zanjoahir wrote:
G day all,
I've reactivated 2 of my account's out of 38 i have.
I've gone back to my old area's i used to mine that used carry 50+ miners, now down to 4 random's. i left due fact i wasn't happy with few the changes ccp has done, Look's like i wasn't alone, high sec mining disappear , the standard mining barges can't handle their tank against a destroyer, should we come back in another 10 months to see if things have change ?

Was it really ccp goal to scare off the care bears??

just too note some of the high sec area's have i visited, rocks are the size you would see in null sec.

Or possibly those miners have just moved. I refer you also to this barge called the Procurer, use that. Barges haven't had their tank dropped significantly, and in the procurers case a massive increase along side a massive yield increase.
So, adapt to the new meta, use a procurer swarm.
stewie Zanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-09-18 15:48:37 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Is that you, stewie? If yes, go ask your russian friends :)


Yes, but we all learn from our mistake's.
Nathan Shavit
Shavit Risk Management
#10 - 2014-11-02 11:40:26 UTC
stewie Zanjoahir wrote:
G day all,
I've reactivated 2 of my account's out of 38 i have.
I've gone back to my old area's i used to mine that used carry 50+ miners, now down to 4 random's. i left due fact i wasn't happy with few the changes ccp has done, Look's like i wasn't alone, high sec mining disappear , the standard mining barges can't handle their tank against a destroyer, should we come back in another 10 months to see if things have change ?

Was it really ccp goal to scare off the care bears??

just too note some of the high sec area's have i visited, rocks are the size you would see in null sec.

It looks like you've already made your decision to come back. Welcome back.

And no, EVE Online needs both the bears and the bullies. That's what drives the economy.

PS. If you're having trouble defending your mining fleet I have a few suggestions:
1. ) Get some PvP oriented friends to help you out
2. ) Watch local and get the hell out when you see known suicide gankers (add them with negative standing)
3. ) Never mine AFK and don't ever give neutrals any information about your location, activity or fits

There is no problem an air strike cannot solve.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#11 - 2014-11-02 18:38:28 UTC
If you want to make sure you can deal with a destroyer, fly skiffs/procurers.

The yield is less than a hulk, but they have a battleship sized tank.

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#12 - 2014-11-02 23:05:22 UTC
stewie Zanjoahir wrote:
G day all,
I've reactivated 2 of my account's out of 38 i have.
I've gone back to my old area's i used to mine that used carry 50+ miners, now down to 4 random's. i left due fact i wasn't happy with few the changes ccp has done, Look's like i wasn't alone, high sec mining disappear , the standard mining barges can't handle their tank against a destroyer, should we come back in another 10 months to see if things have change ?

Was it really ccp goal to scare off the care bears??

just too note some of the high sec area's have i visited, rocks are the size you would see in null sec.


Thirty-eight accounts is just ridiculous and to my mind shouldn't be allowed.

Regarding the drop-off in people online the figures have recovered a little but they are still significantly down from what they were. I don't think anyone has completely put their finger on why this has happened yet. Everyone was saying for ages it was because of the better summer we have had this year but that has come to an end nearly now except for our Aussie friends.Personally I think the drop off in numbers online probabaly is to do with the stagnation in activity in null-sec which is on the cusp of being fixed if we are lucky. Fingers crossed.

Now onto your mining & ganking comments. There has been an increase in ganking especially in freighter ganking of late. With GSF etc coordinating with CODE to do this it does appear to be another side effect of stagnation in null-sec along with no doubt some market speculation/manipulation. On the subject of less miners I do still seem to see a lot of miners about and if you visit various 'learner pilot' channels you will find plenty of new pilots getting into mining and asking questions.

I would like to make three points about ganking. Firstly far too many industrial craft/haulers are still overfilled with expensive cargo often into the billions of ISK some of which are on autopilot. If people continue to do this ganking will increase in frequency. Secondly many Hulks & Mackinaws which cost approximately 250 million ISK each are fitted out very badly and can therefore be very easily ganked. Thirdly the most recent changes to mining craft have enabled miners to more easily defend themselves against suicide ganking if they use their heads and/or switch to more suitable versions of mining vessels. If the mining vessels are strengthened much more I believe it could be game breaking.

Navie
LoneStar Dynamics
#13 - 2014-11-03 16:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Navie
I think what we have here is a failure to understand the concept of eve online by all involved parties.

First things first:
38 mining ships together in 1 belt will probably be enough to get you Ganked with smart-bombs. The purpose of any ship Isn't to be able to do its thing with impunity.

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The philosophy
The key thing to remember is that CCP does not view the game as a MMO with a purpose of delivering content though a single pipline (see all other mmo's) they have a more Minecraft approach (no need to point out eve is older than minecraft the analogy is still sound)

They want players to play the game however they see fit, so long as the players are actually doing the playing. Even if "Playing" is "Multibox macro mining with 38 accounts" So long as there is 1 real person at the helm... The fact is though, it is a multiplayer game so CCP while they will let you have your silly multibox mayhem they are not going to make it so you can do it completely without risk.

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Risk VS Reward And why your complaint is troublesome:
So first things first the idea behind high-sec isn't to protect you from pvp. Otherwise it simply wouldn't be allowed at all and there wouldn't be a sliding scale in concord response time from 1.0~0.5 Also ganking is rather infrequent, everything from the most casually fitted retriever with minimum skills to the most expensive mackinaw will pay for it self before its ganked twice most of the time (unless your like repeatedly going back to the same spot and getting ganked over and over stupidly)

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Advice for mining with 38 ships:

Find a nice C2 wormhole with a high-sec static and mine in there. With a fleet that size someone (probably code) will locator your accounts and basically repeatedly come after you since they are anti-macro-boxing. In w-space they cant locator you (not that they wont go out of their way to find and evict you if you make them angry) but it will be much more difficult. Setup a pos where you can refine and compress to sell ore's at their best value. Stick a alt cloaked on each hole to hear activation's. even if someone comes in and comes across your 20+ strong fleet of miners, the average gank squad in w-space is only 2~5 ships most of the time in the cruiser class which will be quickly overwhelmed by the sheer number of drones you can deploy. The value of compressed ore and high refine rates will more than pay the difference to tank up with cheap strong procurers so even if you lose a few you wont be set back. Any large fleet capable of really messing your ships up will take much longer to get into the hole and you will hear them coming long enough in advance to flee back to the safty of your pos. Granted there will be days when you have no belts available but with all that PI you could be doing (almost 120 characters if you use 3 per account) you wont run out of things to do.

PS:
I personally do not care for multi-boxing solofleets but still... This is how I would do it if I were so inclined.
flathlana
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2014-11-03 22:39:03 UTC
There are different barges for different roles, if you feel the best plan is to roll out glass mining barges to get the most yield, you are taking the risk for more isk. If this dosnt appeal to you, flying the right ship for the job/risk then you probably shouldn't come back to Eve, because not much has changed.
Nathan Shavit
Shavit Risk Management
#15 - 2014-11-04 20:45:31 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
If you want to make sure you can deal with a destroyer, fly skiffs/procurers.

The yield is less than a hulk, but they have a battleship sized tank.

That tank is no joke. If I ever decide to mine I'll be flying a skiff.

There is no problem an air strike cannot solve.