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Petition to remove pvp ship combat from high sec.

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Bluespot85
What IU Doing
Brothers of Tangra
#201 - 2014-09-17 14:30:05 UTC
Benson has alot to say yet he still wont answer the simplest question:-


Do you have a problem with people shooting each other in BF4, team fortress etc?


Oh dear he got shot https://zkillboard.com/character/93485062/
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#202 - 2014-09-17 14:30:50 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Thanks for opening up Jenn. I'll bet you feel a lot better now. In the future, if you start to lapse, can I recommend bacon therapy for your woes? Bacon has been proven in many studies to solve 100% of the world's problems. I'm quite positive it can solve yours too.


No joke here, every year I go to the State Fair just for the Fried Bacon. It perfectly compliments the Deep Fried Tea. Fried Cookies and milk are a great desert afterwards.

Who need a damn Colon anyways?
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2014-09-17 14:31:09 UTC


OP, don't argue from a game mechanics standpoint. Nothing will happen.


However, if you organize a platform based on hurt feelings and a sense of RL persecution then you would certainly see results.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#204 - 2014-09-17 14:31:55 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
All I want is to do it [hauling trade goods around] without having to worry about being ganked all the time.

Euro Truck Simulator is calling your name.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#205 - 2014-09-17 14:32:46 UTC
I spent years in highsec flying around in pimped pirate faction battleships and hauling billions worth of stuff all over the universe.

Not once was I ever successfully ganked. You need to put a minimum amount of thought into playing a game that allows ganking anywhere, anytime. Obviously you didn't do that. This game isn't tailored for people like you. Thanks for playing and have a nice day.

Not today spaghetti.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#206 - 2014-09-17 14:33:18 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
No, I don't. The valuable commodities are mainly found in low and null sec anyways. Haulers and traders don't go there because that's not what we do. We stay in high (and sometimes low) sec, transporting goods to places where they will be bought.
You're delusional if you think it's only carebears that do this.

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We work to make it easy to obtain the things you want and need to play your pvp games. All I want is to do it without having to worry about being ganked all the time.
So take some precautions like the rest of us do, it's not hard to avoid being ganked.

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The price of goods will not go down, because we merchants are not stupid.
Your incredibly short-sighted topic suggests otherwise. I'm sure there's a multitude of industrialists, traders and haulers who don't want you speaking for them. I can think of several that have already said so, myself included.

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We won't lower the prices just because we don't have to replace our ships, and the people who pvp will still have their ships blown up, and will still need replacements, so the commodities will still have a high value.
Supply and demand, understand it before you post inane crap. Ganking is intrinsically linked to the market, it's done for profit as well as lols.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2014-09-17 14:33:58 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
True Sight wrote:

Don't you think, if it was impossible to attack others in high-sec at all, it would make transporting valuable goods in empire way too risk-free ? don't you think there could be a negative side effect of going from one extreme to another?

No, I don't. The valuable commodities are mainly found in low and null sec anyways. Haulers and traders don't go there because that's not what we do. We stay in high (and sometimes low) sec, transporting goods to places where they will be bought. We work to make it easy to obtain the things you want and need to play your pvp games. All I want is to do it without having to worry about being ganked all the time. The price of goods will not go down, because we merchants are not stupid. We won't lower the prices just because we don't have to replace our ships, and the people who pvp will still have their ships blown up, and will still need replacements, so the commodities will still have a high value.


Black Frog

/thread

Now, onto more pressing concerns. JOKES!!

Why do brides dress in white?

Derr, cuz when is a household appliance NOT white?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#208 - 2014-09-17 14:34:00 UTC
Torneach Structor wrote:
Benton Risalo wrote:
All I want is to do it [hauling trade goods around] without having to worry about being ganked all the time.

Euro Truck Simulator is calling your name.

Or following any number of out of game resources designed to prevent unnecessary losses, such as http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/07/counter-ganking.html

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#209 - 2014-09-17 14:35:16 UTC
Absolutely Not Analt wrote:
Obvious troll bait it obvious. And not very clever.



\m/ O.o \m/

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#210 - 2014-09-17 14:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
I applaud everyone still argueing with OP, now that's persistance! Big smile
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#211 - 2014-09-17 14:36:23 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
No, I don't. The valuable commodities are mainly found in low and null sec anyways. Haulers and traders don't go there because that's not what we do. We stay in high (and sometimes low) sec, transporting goods to places where they will be bought. We work to make it easy to obtain the things you want and need to play your pvp games. All I want is to do it without having to worry about being ganked all the time. The price of goods will not go down, because we merchants are not stupid. We won't lower the prices just because we don't have to replace our ships, and the people who pvp will still have their ships blown up, and will still need replacements, so the commodities will still have a high value.


1) "We" - Hi, I almost exclusively live in Hi-sec these days, I at times transport valuable goods (with my perfect freighter out-of-corp alt), I am one of the people who has a risk of loosing valuable goods to this ganking, but you don't speak for all of us, I disagree with your position

2) "We work to make it easy to obtain the things you want and need" - Logistics itself is a 'profession' in eve, why do you think it should be easy for people to obtain all the things people need? Null sec alliances succeed or fail based on their ability to maintain functional logistics. Other players make their entire career and profit from offering mission hubs with common supplies like ammunition and drones, everything has a risk and reward factor. You have stated your opinion, my opinion is that it is fine the way it is.

3) "being ganked all the time" - Checking your killboard I see 3 ganks, one of which was of any actual value (and as I previously stated, your own fault for transporting a billion isk worth of stuff in a paper-bag with a "Kill me" label strapped to it. One of the other kills was even in low sec, so yo ucan't complain about that.

I am yet to loose a industrial ship to gankers, maybe you're just doing it wrong :)

4) It's not about "not loosing your ships" it's about, if every single good made it safely to market, there would be more goods on the market, so there would be more competition, so the sale price of them would be more competitive and the price would go down.

I think the main problem here is that you're making silly mistakes and for all intensive purposes, are 'spitting your dummy out of the pram' due to feeling that recent loss was of no fault of your own and the fault of the game mechanics, in a loss that you could very, very easily have avoided.

If you would like to contact me in-game, I can help you and tell you several different ways where you can stop this happening ever again, without CCP having to change a thing.
Bluespot85
What IU Doing
Brothers of Tangra
#212 - 2014-09-17 14:36:29 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Benton Risalo wrote:
All I want is to do it [hauling trade goods around] without having to worry about being ganked all the time.

Euro Truck Simulator is calling your name.

Or following any number of out of game resources designed to prevent unnecessary losses, such as http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/07/counter-ganking.html


That would require less effort than crying on the forum.....which he dosn't want to do
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#213 - 2014-09-17 14:36:58 UTC
Bluespot85 wrote:



Oh dear he got shot [removed isd bait Blink]

Why can't I get drops like that!

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2014-09-17 14:38:05 UTC
Bluespot85 wrote:


Oh dear he got shot *I removed link*



So it looks like on his latest loss he lost about 1B ISK worth of stuff. That's more than 1 PLEX worth which is about $20. Isn't this a lot of RL assets to lose in one shot?

I have no doubt that Benton feels harassed.


We as a community should band together and speak out against EVE turning into a game where we disregard the feelings we create from instantly destroying $20 of somebody's stuff.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#215 - 2014-09-17 14:38:06 UTC
Torneach Structor wrote:
Benton Risalo wrote:
All I want is to do it [hauling trade goods around] without having to worry about being ganked all the time.

Euro Truck Simulator is calling your name.

Hey now. The way the road-hog AI works in that game, it might as well have ganking in it. 😡
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2014-09-17 14:38:28 UTC
Seriously though, whoever made my keyboard needs to go back to school.

Q-W-E-R-T-Y are not the first five letters of the alphabet Ugh

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#217 - 2014-09-17 14:39:55 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Seriously though, whoever made my keyboard needs to go back to school.

Q-W-E-R-T-Y are not the first five letters of the alphabet Ugh


They are after a few tequila shots.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#218 - 2014-09-17 14:40:04 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Bluespot85 wrote:



Oh dear he got shot [removed isd bait Blink]

Why can't I get drops like that!
You need to sacrifice your entire stock of marines, militants, exotic dancers (both male and female), other assorted livestock and a Damsel to the loot fairy.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
Double D and M
#219 - 2014-09-17 14:40:25 UTC
Posting in the next threadnaught.

OP is wrong on so many levels, I'm surprised others know where to start.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2014-09-17 14:40:57 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Seriously though, whoever made my keyboard needs to go back to school.

Q-W-E-R-T-Y are not the first five letters of the alphabet Ugh



And also not the first SIX letters of the alphabet either Blink

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.