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Petition to remove pvp ship combat from high sec.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2014-09-17 14:17:28 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
I'll see an end to it.


Good for you! Taking the initiative and learning to PVP to put an end to ganking...


Owait, you mean, you wanna change the mechanics. Well, no, you won't see an end to ganking doing that.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#182 - 2014-09-17 14:17:34 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Benton Risalo wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Also OP, you are the reason ISD Ezwal always looks unhappy. For this you should feel bad.

I don't feel bad.
You should - upsetting ISD Ezwal is bad 'mkay?
In his defense, raising an ill-informed and terrible idea isn't a problem in and of itself. The responses are more likely to require ISD intervention as they are non-constructive. A constructive response is as follows:

Benton - While I appreciate that you would like to play the game your way, EVE online is inherently a PvP game. There are certain balance issues which should be addressed, but PvP as a whole is a core concept which EVE is modeled around. There are methods however that you can minimise your risk of being ganked, such as tanking and carrying less per run, and using courier groups such as red-frog or pushx, which would allow you to play the way you wish to play with a minimal risk of being ganked.

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Reiisha
#183 - 2014-09-17 14:17:50 UTC
I wish the forum mods would just give temp bans to entire accounts for such posts >_>

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True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#184 - 2014-09-17 14:18:00 UTC
I disagree with you OP, I think it is fine, the problem is that you are transporting a Billion isk worth of goods in a <2m ISK ship.

If you don't want to get blown up flying around with a billion ISK worth of goods onboard, then secure them in a more valuable ship, looking at your killboard, you deserve every ISK you lost.

Covert Transports or Freighters would avoid most of the problems you have experienced.

Don't you think, if it was impossible to attack others in high-sec at all, it would make transporting valuable goods in empire way too risk-free ? don't you think there could be a negative side effect of going from one extreme to another?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2014-09-17 14:18:16 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


It's not at all unlike my dating experiences in college. Time after time you meet girls and ask them what they like in a dude. You always get "sweet, funny, sensitive". 3 months later she's breaking up with you because "sweet,funny,sensitive" is boring as hell and off she goes with "counter-culture McNoFuture De La SmokeWeedErrDay" guy who is "edgy" and "misunderstood by the world" (so misunderstood that he's going to rebel against the man for the next 18 years but not paying her those authoritarian child support payments he owes here Big smile).



Is there something you'd like to talk about Jenn? Here, come lay on this couch and tell me about your parents, you seem to be avoiding talking about them.. Blink

Awww... you never asked me if I wanted to lay down on your couch.... :(


;)


The couch doesn't fit in the shower Roll

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solecist Project
#186 - 2014-09-17 14:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
2% battery left.

See you in two hours!


Also... lol remiel <3

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#187 - 2014-09-17 14:18:36 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


It's not at all unlike my dating experiences in college. Time after time you meet girls and ask them what they like in a dude. You always get "sweet, funny, sensitive". 3 months later she's breaking up with you because "sweet,funny,sensitive" is boring as hell and off she goes with "counter-culture McNoFuture De La SmokeWeedErrDay" guy who is "edgy" and "misunderstood by the world" (so misunderstood that he's going to rebel against the man for the next 18 years but not paying her those authoritarian child support payments he owes here Big smile).



Is there something you'd like to talk about Jenn? Here, come lay on this couch and tell me about your parents, you seem to be avoiding talking about them.. Blink

Awww... you never asked me if I wanted to lay down on your couch.... :(


;)
He's afraid of being in the same room as you, because damn you scary P

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#188 - 2014-09-17 14:20:27 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
Benton Risalo wrote:
Out of curiosity: If you guys are so sure that CCP will not change, why are you fighting so hard to silence me?


There's no fight, just a lot of light-hearted mocking. What is more then your "ideas" deserve, frankly. Big smile

No. I think that you lot are afraid that I might be successful.

See, thereabouts lies the fundamental misconception here. Nobody here is really afraid you'll be successful. We know better. You are what I would call a 'vocal minority'; you make quite a bit of noise and assume that the louder you yell the more seriously the world around you will take you. This is not so, and those responding to you are trying to explain that little factoid to you. Their voices are myriad, yours sings alone. Will you be the lone champion in the night who changes the world to fit your ideals of 'HOW THINGS SHOULD BE'? No.
That crap ain't happening. EVE is as EVE is.
Your failure to adjust to that and your indignation at the world not conforming to your perceptions of what should be are pretty much irrelevant. Right now you are only so much line noise... either adapt or move on, your cause is lost.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#189 - 2014-09-17 14:20:38 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:

Oh believe me, I want to eliminate ganking in high sec. I'll see an end to it.

They may take our Hulks, but they will never take our freeeeeeedommmmmm?
Solecist Project
#190 - 2014-09-17 14:21:02 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


It's not at all unlike my dating experiences in college. Time after time you meet girls and ask them what they like in a dude. You always get "sweet, funny, sensitive". 3 months later she's breaking up with you because "sweet,funny,sensitive" is boring as hell and off she goes with "counter-culture McNoFuture De La SmokeWeedErrDay" guy who is "edgy" and "misunderstood by the world" (so misunderstood that he's going to rebel against the man for the next 18 years but not paying her those authoritarian child support payments he owes here Big smile).



Is there something you'd like to talk about Jenn? Here, come lay on this couch and tell me about your parents, you seem to be avoiding talking about them.. Blink

Awww... you never asked me if I wanted to lay down on your couch.... :(


;)
He's afraid of being in the same room as you, because damn you scary P

I am??
How so???

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#191 - 2014-09-17 14:23:01 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


It's not at all unlike my dating experiences in college. Time after time you meet girls and ask them what they like in a dude. You always get "sweet, funny, sensitive". 3 months later she's breaking up with you because "sweet,funny,sensitive" is boring as hell and off she goes with "counter-culture McNoFuture De La SmokeWeedErrDay" guy who is "edgy" and "misunderstood by the world" (so misunderstood that he's going to rebel against the man for the next 18 years but not paying her those authoritarian child support payments he owes here Big smile).



Is there something you'd like to talk about Jenn? Here, come lay on this couch and tell me about your parents, you seem to be avoiding talking about them.. Blink


*lays on couch*

It all started back when i was a kid. I would just be sitting around playing with my toys and my MOM would come out of no where, kick over my toys and make me do chores I didn't want to do.

What triggered my current situation was that I was playing EVE one day and a ship that USED to be called a MOM came out of no where and kicked over all my toys (my Carrier) then i had to go do chores (lvl 5 missions) to get another carrier. EVE re-traumatized me that day. Also i realized that my mother was a dirty hot-dropper and probably a Goon

Thanks Dr. Rem for your time!!!!
Benton Risalo
Risalo Industries
#192 - 2014-09-17 14:23:54 UTC
True Sight wrote:

Don't you think, if it was impossible to attack others in high-sec at all, it would make transporting valuable goods in empire way too risk-free ? don't you think there could be a negative side effect of going from one extreme to another?

No, I don't. The valuable commodities are mainly found in low and null sec anyways. Haulers and traders don't go there because that's not what we do. We stay in high (and sometimes low) sec, transporting goods to places where they will be bought. We work to make it easy to obtain the things you want and need to play your pvp games. All I want is to do it without having to worry about being ganked all the time. The price of goods will not go down, because we merchants are not stupid. We won't lower the prices just because we don't have to replace our ships, and the people who pvp will still have their ships blown up, and will still need replacements, so the commodities will still have a high value.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#193 - 2014-09-17 14:24:31 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Benton Risalo wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
Benton Risalo wrote:
Out of curiosity: If you guys are so sure that CCP will not change, why are you fighting so hard to silence me?


There's no fight, just a lot of light-hearted mocking. What is more then your "ideas" deserve, frankly. Big smile

No. I think that you lot are afraid that I might be successful.

See, thereabouts lies the fundamental misconception here. Nobody here is really afraid you'll be successful. We know better. You are what I would call a 'vocal minority'; you make quite a bit of noise and assume that the louder you yell the more seriously the world around you will take you. This is not so, and those responding to you are trying to explain that little factoid to you. Their voices are myriad, yours sings alone. Will you be the lone champion in the night who changes the world to fit your ideals of 'HOW THINGS SHOULD BE'? No.
That crap ain't happening. EVE is as EVE is.
Your failure to adjust to that and your indignation at the world not conforming to your perceptions of what should be are pretty much irrelevant. Right now you are only so much line noise... either adapt or move on, your cause is lost.

Actually I'm just w***ing likes from disagreeing with the op, I know no one will take him seriously(No Lucas, you don't count!).

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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2014-09-17 14:24:51 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:

No. I think that you lot are afraid that I might be successful.



Like any reasonable man, I have things in this life which I fear. Your success, however, is not among them.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#195 - 2014-09-17 14:25:22 UTC
Define valuable.

I don't undock for less than 20 billion and I'm tired of all you high sec noobs pretending you are rich, only to find out you are carrying junk.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2014-09-17 14:26:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


It's not at all unlike my dating experiences in college. Time after time you meet girls and ask them what they like in a dude. You always get "sweet, funny, sensitive". 3 months later she's breaking up with you because "sweet,funny,sensitive" is boring as hell and off she goes with "counter-culture McNoFuture De La SmokeWeedErrDay" guy who is "edgy" and "misunderstood by the world" (so misunderstood that he's going to rebel against the man for the next 18 years but not paying her those authoritarian child support payments he owes here Big smile).



Is there something you'd like to talk about Jenn? Here, come lay on this couch and tell me about your parents, you seem to be avoiding talking about them.. Blink


*lays on couch*

It all started back when i was a kid. I would just be sitting around playing with my toys and my MOM would come out of no where, kick over my toys and make me do chores I didn't want to do.

What triggered my current situation was that I was playing EVE one day and a ship that USED to be called a MOM came out of no where and kicked over all my toys (my Carrier) then i had to go do chores (lvl 5 missions) to get another carrier. EVE re-traumatized me that day. Also i realized that my mother was a dirty hot-dropper and probably a Goon

Thanks Dr. Rem for your time!!!!


Thanks for opening up Jenn. I'll bet you feel a lot better now. In the future, if you start to lapse, can I recommend bacon therapy for your woes? Bacon has been proven in many studies to solve 100% of the world's problems. I'm quite positive it can solve yours too.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#197 - 2014-09-17 14:27:27 UTC
I just liked one of Lucas' posts. I feel unclean, but dammit he was right.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Benton Risalo
Risalo Industries
#198 - 2014-09-17 14:27:57 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Define valuable.

I don't undock for less than 20 billion and I'm tired of all you high sec noobs pretending you are rich, only to find out you are carrying junk.


What's wrong with being relatively new to the game? I don't pretend I'm rich. I know that I'm not.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#199 - 2014-09-17 14:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Benton Risalo wrote:
No, I don't. The valuable commodities are mainly found in low and null sec anyways.
So? How would it not make transporting valuable goods in empire too risk-free?

Quote:
Haulers and traders don't go there because that's not what we do.
Ehm. Yes we do.

Quote:
We work to make it easy to obtain the things you want and need to play your pvp games. All I want is to do it without having to worry about being ganked all the time.
Good news: you don't. Just play intelligently and all those worries go away. Also, if all you ever do is fly stuff around in highsec, then no, you do not do any work whatsoever to make it easy to obtain things in the game.

Quote:
The price of goods will not go down, because we merchants are not stupid.
Yes they will, exactly because we merchants aren't stupid — a sale is a sale. If the choice is between making ε less and not selling, the former wins out every time. It's kind of inherent in how markets work. As a merchant, you should know this, but I suppose we'll add that to the list…

Quote:
What's wrong with being relatively new to the game? I don't pretend I'm rich.
No-one has suggested that there's anything wrong with being new. And by whinging over such a small (and laughably easily avoidable) loss as yours, you are pretending that it matters on the scale of things.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#200 - 2014-09-17 14:29:53 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Define valuable.

I don't undock for less than 20 billion and I'm tired of all you high sec noobs pretending you are rich, only to find out you are carrying junk.


What's wrong with being relatively new to the game? I don't pretend I'm rich. I know that I'm not.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being relatively new to the game. Newbros are always welcome. You do, on the other hand, have to reckon the nature of the beast that you are riding. Accept it for what it is, adapt accordingly, and then and only then can you truly enjoy the ride.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.