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Really torn between Minmatar and Amarr

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-12-11 14:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
Kingwood wrote:

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lol. I like your metas. The Cane doesn't have these issues.

Also, you're a huge failure of an EFT-warrior.
Amarr Scorch (EM+therm) damage vs Cane armour tank = 93k ehp for the Cane
Hurricane Fusion (exp + kin) damage vs Harbinger armour tank = 58k ehp for the Harby

It looks like Winmatar win again! Selectable damage types! An EFT-warrior like you clearly can't comprehend anything as complex as that or the 30% better tracking, range control or overheat sustainability either.
Lili Lu
#42 - 2011-12-11 18:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Well, OP as you are somewhat new to the game I would say you might want to consider Gallente in the mix and not Minmatar. The reason for this is that you have already invested 8mil in skills for Caldari ships and making use of that later on there would be possibilities of flying pirate faction ships. There is no Caldari/Minmatar pirate faction. There are Sansha (Calamari) and Gurista (Galcaldari) ships.

Amarr ships are armor tankers. No getting around that. There are some tech II and tech III missile boats using HAMs so any sp invested in missiles would not be wasted there. Cap skills reign supreme with the laser boats. And, tech II guns are necessary to get the most out of Amarr in pvp. In pve you can make use of tech I guns (beams). The eventual mission boat destination with having Amarr and Caldari is the Nightmare. It is a shield tanking laser ship. Acutally, it and the Absolution are probably two of the best incursion ships in the game.

In pvp, the Abaddon, Zealot and Legion get used. Also, the Curse and Pilgrim in smaller scale pvp. Lastly, if you go logi and commands (a long distance goal really) the Guardian and Damnation are heavily used.

Gallente ships are a more complex option in some ways. For pve you will want drone boats and your eventual goal would be the Dominix variants (Domi, Navy Domi, and Rattlesnake (yes even though it looks like a scorpion Straight)). The Gila and Ishtar are also level 4 misison capable. Gallente and Caldari Hybrid ships are experiencing renewed interest with the recent Hybrid gun buff. They are no longer the dismal performers they used to be (Hyperion, Mega and even the Caldari Rokh).

In pvp the Proteus and Lachesis show up a lot on killboards. The Mega has always been heavily used for pvp. The Taranis is a good combat frig. The Ishkur as well.

Minmatar would not make use of any of your skills really. You said your shield sp was minimal. And, even though they often have missile hardpoints they often end up fitting neuts or other stuff there. Everyone who has no experience with them it seems are whining for a nerf to projectiles and Minmatar ships. Sadly if it happens CCP nerfs can be quite harsh.

So there you have it. Hopefully you will have fun with whatever your choice is. Smile
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-12-11 20:24:09 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Train up frigs to choose a weapon system. Try incursus with blasters, merlin with rails, rifter with ac's or slicer with pulses. Based on that, make your choice for guns/ships to train.



This is not very demonstrative of how good the line up is.
Small blasters rails were always good, We've never asked to improve them more but to improve med/large ones.

Now we got realy awesome small rails/blasters and still meh med/large blasters/rails (actually this might has well come now from individual ship bonus that need tweaks)


Overall Amarr have balanced sub cap lineup, some ships are crappy no one will doubt about this but you have excellent models in each ship type and you can't go wrong on this route even at cap level with archons revelations or leviathans.

Minmatar are kings of the hill in sub cap but meh at cap level, gallente are total underdogs at sub cap level and not bad at cap level, caldari have some very nice ships on each cap and sub cap level. Imho.

Go amarr if you're not intending to cross train soon (read double training race=more skills to train) knowing you can go from frig to titans they have always some nice option to use if not the best.

Minmatar is the easy way to go, lots of slots, tons of pg/cpu, full guns dmg selection etc and very fun to use either pve/pvp
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#44 - 2011-12-11 21:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingwood
DarkAegix wrote:

lol. I like your metas. The Cane doesn't have these issues.

Also, you're a huge failure of an EFT-warrior.
Amarr Scorch (EM+therm) damage vs Cane armour tank = 93k ehp for the Cane
Hurricane Fusion (exp + kin) damage vs Harbinger armour tank = 58k ehp for the Harby

It looks like Winmatar win again! Selectable damage types! An EFT-warrior like you clearly can't comprehend anything as complex as that or the 30% better tracking, range control or overheat sustainability either.


I like them too. Minmatar has easier fitting issues, so what?

Yes, I am obviously an EFT warrior and have no clue about the game. How about we fight a 1 on 1, me in a Harbinger vs you in a Hurricane. Fits of our own choosing, no implants so screenshots will have to be provided before the fight. Each of us provides 1 billion, winner takes all.

Really tired of your whining - put up or shut up.

Edit: I should just put up a whine thread also arguing along your lines comparing the Drake to the Hurricane - complaining about how the Drake outdoes the Hurricane in almost every aspect and crying for a buff.

Edit2: Standard PvP fits - so no retardedness fitting EM/Therm hardeners on your cane.
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2011-12-11 21:57:08 UTC
Kingwood wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:

lol. I like your metas. The Cane doesn't have these issues.

Also, you're a huge failure of an EFT-warrior.
Amarr Scorch (EM+therm) damage vs Cane armour tank = 93k ehp for the Cane
Hurricane Fusion (exp + kin) damage vs Harbinger armour tank = 58k ehp for the Harby

It looks like Winmatar win again! Selectable damage types! An EFT-warrior like you clearly can't comprehend anything as complex as that or the 30% better tracking, range control or overheat sustainability either.


I like them too. Minmatar has easier fitting issues, so what?

Yes, I am obviously an EFT warrior and have no clue about the game. How about we fight a 1 on 1, me in a Harbinger vs you in a Hurricane. Fits of our own choosing, no implants so screenshots will have to be provided before the fight. Each of us provides 1 billion, winner takes all.


There are implants on podmails now ;)
Better method
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-12-11 22:54:06 UTC
Kingwood wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:

lol. I like your metas. The Cane doesn't have these issues.

Also, you're a huge failure of an EFT-warrior.
Amarr Scorch (EM+therm) damage vs Cane armour tank = 93k ehp for the Cane
Hurricane Fusion (exp + kin) damage vs Harbinger armour tank = 58k ehp for the Harby

It looks like Winmatar win again! Selectable damage types! An EFT-warrior like you clearly can't comprehend anything as complex as that or the 30% better tracking, range control or overheat sustainability either.


I like them too. Minmatar has easier fitting issues, so what?

Yes, I am obviously an EFT warrior and have no clue about the game. How about we fight a 1 on 1, me in a Harbinger vs you in a Hurricane. Fits of our own choosing, no implants so screenshots will have to be provided before the fight. Each of us provides 1 billion, winner takes all.

Really tired of your whining - put up or shut up.

Edit: I should just put up a whine thread also arguing along your lines comparing the Drake to the Hurricane - complaining about how the Drake outdoes the Hurricane in almost every aspect and crying for a buff.

Edit2: Standard PvP fits - so no retardedness fitting EM/Therm hardeners on your cane.


Just stop it. Everyone knows Hurricane is much better then a Harbinger and a Drake is just good as a Cane.
No one cares if you win or loose.

If Harbinger was good as a Cane everyone would fly it.
You can't fool statistics: Canes outnumber Harbingers 12 to 1.

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Feriluce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-12-11 23:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Feriluce
Fix My Lasers wrote:
Kingwood wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:

lol. I like your metas. The Cane doesn't have these issues.

Also, you're a huge failure of an EFT-warrior.
Amarr Scorch (EM+therm) damage vs Cane armour tank = 93k ehp for the Cane
Hurricane Fusion (exp + kin) damage vs Harbinger armour tank = 58k ehp for the Harby

It looks like Winmatar win again! Selectable damage types! An EFT-warrior like you clearly can't comprehend anything as complex as that or the 30% better tracking, range control or overheat sustainability either.


I like them too. Minmatar has easier fitting issues, so what?

Yes, I am obviously an EFT warrior and have no clue about the game. How about we fight a 1 on 1, me in a Harbinger vs you in a Hurricane. Fits of our own choosing, no implants so screenshots will have to be provided before the fight. Each of us provides 1 billion, winner takes all.

Really tired of your whining - put up or shut up.

Edit: I should just put up a whine thread also arguing along your lines comparing the Drake to the Hurricane - complaining about how the Drake outdoes the Hurricane in almost every aspect and crying for a buff.

Edit2: Standard PvP fits - so no retardedness fitting EM/Therm hardeners on your cane.


Just stop it. Everyone knows Hurricane is much better then a Harbinger and a Drake is just good as a Cane.
No one cares if you win or loose.

If Harbinger was good as a Cane everyone would fly it.
You can't fool statistics: Canes outnumber Harbingers 12 to 1.


I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to add that justin bieber also has a lot of fans. Popular does not have to equal good.
Rharkon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2011-12-12 01:19:45 UTC
I only picked up the game a month ago (took the trial, came back years later) and I have to admit that if I didn't pick Gallente, I would have picked Minmatar. I just like the design/names of the ships they've got.

That's not to say that Amarr isn't neat-looking too. They're just in a close second.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-12-12 01:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Fix My Lasers wrote:
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If Harbinger was good as a Cane everyone would fly it.
You can't fool statistics: Canes outnumber Harbingers 12 to 1.



Harbi has the same issue that Myrm does.

If you shield tank, drake does it better, and if you need to go fast ....well hurricane is right there.

As long as roaming gangs rely on speed and/or range that is going to be the way of things because neither ships is particularly fast or well tanked in comparison to the Hurricane and Drake.......or any of the tier 3s for that matter.

So unless you are a RP'er that pigeonholes into one race, there is no real reason to fly a Myrm or Harbi over a Cane or Drake.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#50 - 2011-12-12 07:46:05 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Fix My Lasers wrote:
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If Harbinger was good as a Cane everyone would fly it.
You can't fool statistics: Canes outnumber Harbingers 12 to 1.



Harbi has the same issue that Myrm does.

If you shield tank, drake does it better, and if you need to go fast ....well hurricane is right there.

As long as roaming gangs rely on speed and/or range that is going to be the way of things because neither ships is particularly fast or well tanked in comparison to the Hurricane and Drake.......or any of the tier 3s for that matter.

So unless you are a RP'er that pigeonholes into one race, there is no real reason to fly a Myrm or Harbi over a Cane or Drake.



pick 10 harby, primary target "go" cane 1 is out, repeat.
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#51 - 2011-12-12 10:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingwood
Fix My Lasers wrote:


Just stop it. Everyone knows Hurricane is much better then a Harbinger and a Drake is just good as a Cane.
No one cares if you win or loose.

If Harbinger was good as a Cane everyone would fly it.
You can't fool statistics: Canes outnumber Harbingers 12 to 1.


Doesn't matter, he didn't take the 1 on 1 because he was afraid I might bring a shield tanked Harb. Considering the Shield-Harb was put down in this thread because of having to fit Meta mods and cap issues I'm not sure what to say.

Being afraid of a shield tanked Harb after so vocally asserting that a Hurricane absolutely destroys a Harbinger every time doesn't make a lot of sense, but so does a lot of the Minmatar whining.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-12-12 11:48:45 UTC
Kingwood wrote:
Fix My Lasers wrote:


Just stop it. Everyone knows Hurricane is much better then a Harbinger and a Drake is just good as a Cane.
No one cares if you win or loose.

If Harbinger was good as a Cane everyone would fly it.
You can't fool statistics: Canes outnumber Harbingers 12 to 1.


Doesn't matter, he didn't take the 1 on 1 because he was afraid I might bring a shield tanked Harb. Considering the Shield-Harb was put down in this thread because of having to fit Meta mods and cap issues I'm not sure what to say.

Being afraid of a shield tanked Harb after so vocally asserting that a Hurricane absolutely destroys a Harbinger every time doesn't make a lot of sense, but so does a lot of the Minmatar whining.


Why shouldn't Minie pilots whine? -I'd like 8-8-8 slots layout to finally have some issues to fit those hurricanes because people are always complaining how easy is to fit one (witch is completely true)

Lol
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#53 - 2011-12-12 12:00:46 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

Why shouldn't Minie pilots whine? -I'd like 8-8-8 slots layout to finally have some issues to fit those hurricanes because people are always complaining how easy is to fit one (witch is completely true)

Lol


Don't think you understand my position. I'm saying Minmatar are fine, and the whining about them is not justified. Anywho, I'm out of this thread. Hf
Billee Baub
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-12-12 12:36:11 UTC
This is a game that we play for fun. If you like the way Minnie ships look then fly em. If you look at a Tengu and want to fly that missile flinging beast then do that. The most paramount thing to understand is this, Pilot Skill is most important, SP's (no matter which race) are second. When you start to play you will see pilots in ships of every race doing just fine, the reason being they have spent time flying them and understand their strengths and weaknesses, they have trained in the skills to support those ships.

There are many people that will tell you one race or the other is the better to choose, in my opinion if you like to fly one of the races then just do it, there isn't necessarily a "best ship" in eve. Everything can and will get blown up no matter how many people told you it was OP or the best. This is the whole point of eve, do it your own way. One of my Corps top ranking pilots fly's ECM boats only, personally I have never wanted to fly an ECM ship, but to him thats the best thing in this game. Hence he fly's Caldari ships and has a blast while I fly Amarr brawlers and do the same. The two styles compliment each other very well actually lol.

As an Amarr focused pilot I can say that I enjoy the look and style that Amarr ships offer and thats why I fly em, just preference. Hope this helps.

Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-12-13 17:37:06 UTC
No race is 'wrong' in Eve, just cross train.

I like to use Amarr armor tanked frigs like the Punisher, but with AC guns mounted. Sort of best of both worlds there. Lasers are cool and all, but due to cap limits, usually only viable on Amarr boats. Guns fit on pretty much anything so pick a tank type and go from there.
Don't discount Caldari though. As already mentioned, they're geared to be the PvE win button, so grinding for isk to pay for PvP mayhem is made easier. Secondly, in the cruiser class, Caldari do well, making PvP affordable for low income players (like me). The Caracal can be a solid anti-frig platform, as I've been playing with, and the Blackbird is infamous for it's impact on otherwise cut and dried brawls- although that does mean training EW skills too.

Also remember that a few other race's ships use missile skills too, like the Malediction that uses rockets.

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