Crime & Punishment

If you don't lose anything, then your time is clearly worth nothing to you. Whether you bought a PLEX to buy ships, buy the materials to build ships, or you farmed the materials yourself, there was cost involved. Therein lies the problem with most people who berate those who take games "too seriously". They ignore the fact that just because you enjoy doing something, doesn't mean that there isn't an expense involved. I love my job. That doesn't mean that I do it for nothing.

If pushing buttons on a computer never incurred "real" loss, there wouldn't have been even a conversation about piracy. Everything has some form of value attributed to it, regardless of whether it's dollars, ISK, or the one currency that you can never really earn more of: time. The only difference is that the first one is "real" because people believe it has value that transcends the fact that it makes a halfassed (and foul smelling) fire.

I've said for a very long time now that killboard efficiency means virtually nothing and means the most at an alliance level and cascades rapidly downward from there to complete irrelevancy at a personal efficiency level. Only solo kills and losses avoid this issue. I'll give you an example of what I mean.

Say you have a killmail for a ship that costs 100 million with 100 involved parties. These pilots represent 4 alliances and 20 corps.

At the alliance level that 100 million ISK ship has contributed 400 million as each alliance claims 100% of the value, already a 400% increase.

Corp level that same kill has contributed 2 billion divided by the 20 corps, 2000% increase.

Personal efficiency it is boosted to 10 billion claimed between 100 pilots, 10,000% increase in value.

Now improbably that solo ship manages to kill one of that fleet's ships also worth 100 million. The total efficiency for the fight is 50% but 3/4 alliances show 100%, as do 19/20 corps and 99/100 players and at no stage does any entity in that fight show less than 50%. Apply this to a large battle and you can see very quickly that this is hyper inflation writ large.

If you assumed that there was a massive fleet fight where every ship was worth the same X amount from both sides and that both sides trade ships in a 1:1 ratio then the first two losses on each side will be the only ones with 50% efficiency personally for that battle. The second deaths are already at 67% and it climbs after each kill. Chances are you have learned little about how to handle yourself in a fight like that.

In order for ISK efficiency to mean anything it needs to be zero sum thereby dividing all kill efficiency among those involved. I have ~98% efficiency historically and I'm merely competent. It would mean that "good" efficiency might be around 55 - 60% instead of 80%+ but at that stage it would be at least a weak reflection of your ability as a player. Many of the best players I've met have "poor" efficiency because they solo constantly and are often killed by large gangs. But they know what's up and are lethal if only slightly outnumbered despite the low efficiency.

When determining whether a pilot is good or not what I look for are either impressive or embarrassing kills or losses. Worry about how those happened. I've also seen many many pilots with 3k or more kills, each with 50 - 150 involved parties and fewer than 100 losses but they have zero total solo kills and have lost 45 ships to solo pilots. Chances are without an FC this player doesn't have the first clue about how to proceed in any given combat scenario. Killboard stats are not completely useless in determining the value of a pilot but efficiency is really the wrong place to look.

I just like to hope in a ship and say #f*ckityolo

Nope :)

I especially love when you get pinned down by someone that could have a good chance of killing me solo but they hold back to let their gang whore on my mail. Less points for you.

Play for challenge and fun, not killboard stats.

There were probably some ceptor pilots that went to B-R5, whored on 50 titans. Now they have the best isk efficiency ever.

Meanwhile, someone who flies triage carriers, the key function in a fleet, will have dreadful stats.


Eve would be better without killboards at all.

Ahh, the past must´ve been awesome.

And now you got paplinks xD

In this game any alliance that thinks they have something to lose gets like that.

Goons are no exception and within Goons there are splinter groups who still (mostly) just PVP because PVP is fun.

Elsewhere in nullsec there *are* entities that never call CTA's because people just come without being forced. They may eventually lose their space to some group that is better organized but they always seem to resurface somewhere. I guess it turns out after all that some EVE players just log in for a good time.... Imagine that!

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game
1.
a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Eve is a game

When I play a game I play it to win. Obviously you can't win eve but you can at times say you are winning at Eve. This may not be true for everyone but in my case I enjoy winning. Now for those that don't care to win I will declare your stance as participating. Maybe my childhood is what makes my stance different from everybody else but I was expected to win/do my best. I was taught that losing is not fun and should not be acceptable.

I want a winning killboard with a winning isk efficiency!

I can't be the only one that thinks this way

Join DbD. Fight 3v1 (you are the 1) . Lose lots. Win more. Listen to the plebs rage you brought a t3 strategic winship to a faction party

I did care about efficiency at first mainly because of other people, when I welped something expensive, corpmates would usually be like wtf were you doing, but as I got more into PvP I started to care less and less. Nowadays I just fly whatever I feel like, and if I lose it stupidly without killing anything, I just go out and get another ship and start over. I fly ships within my wallet and I tend to prefer flying cheaper ships so I've managed to make more isk then I can lose, and as long as I have a solid isk buffer I don't care at all what I lose anymore. I think this lesson is learnt after losing many ships and realizing that there's nothing you can do it about it short of turning into a risk-averse-falcon-alt-links24/7-neutrallogi-20man-gank pilot.

Ironically, the more you lose, the more fun you have. IMO