EVE General Discussion

When exactly was it declared that basic game mechanics are a privilege to earn?

Why do you 'deserve' to play EVE? Why do you 'deserve' to be able to fly a ship? Why do you 'deserve' to be able to undock from a station? Why do you 'deserve' to be able to fit modules?

o/ I know, I know.

Cause I pay $15/month just like everyone else.

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That is not even being on the fence, you really need to pick an opinion and stick with it.

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I doubt very much you will find one, there's nothing that a war-dec dodger is going to gain by a compromise, any attempt at a compromise will be negative to them.

So both sides will never be able to agree.

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Read a couple pages and have to say I'm a little amused at all the teeth gnashing about people avoiding decs and how they aren't entitled to play the game without engaging in PvP.

How about spinning your head around this one: They are PvP'ing, it's called asymmetrical warfare. They know they can't confront you directly so they are coming at you sideways. They are going after a War Dec'ing corps wallet and/or ability to focus on the task at hand. Typical players have very short attention spans, we want our content fed to us now!!! I want my tears NOW!!! By denying you tears, is this not a form of fighting back?

And why do you define PvP in strictly a Shoot You In the Face way? PvP can also be accomplished through other means that don't require a War Dec.

Infilitration / AWOX / Corp Theft / Scam - Don't these all involve at least one player doing damaging to another player? Some of it through shooting you in the face, other through straight up theft.

I played a game called Utopia, it's an old text based game. You had a war dec mechanic similar to Eve's but the main difference was that you could only have 3 (I think) Hostilities and you'd pick one to go into War with. When enough Hostile actions took place, you'd get that War and people hitting you outside of that War would get diminishing returns.

What ended up is that War Win Kingdom would go into legitimate wars and then would set up fake wars to enter upon the completion to recuperate and prep for the next series. Was this intended by the developer? Nope. Did the player base figure out ways around it? Yep. So putting any kind of limitations around numbers has it's drawbacks and will have their own unintended consequences.

If you want a game that is truly open PvP, go somewhere else. Eve gives you illusion that it's open PvP but it's not. It has gated areas that provide some level of protection to people. Can you engage in non-consensual PvP? Sure, but there are consequences. One of the potential consequences for declaring a corporation is that they will disband and reform, or disband and put their members into a NPC Corporation until the War Dec expires. Or any other myriad of mechanics that are available to them that maybe CCP had not originally intended but fairly savvy people have figured out.

As some others have said, if you want to attack a Corporation and NOT have them disband, pick one that has significant assets to defend. Each Corp will have it's own personal threshold of what's too much of a PITA to disband and reform. It's not up to CCP to put some arbitrary value into it. It's up to you to do your research and pick good targets.

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Except it won't work, trying to force people out of npc corps will result in more people leaving the game or forming 1 person corps. Reducing options is never normally a good thing.




Taxes are high enough as it is in npc corps. Higher taxes is likely to see some people leaving, lowering the taxes over time won't induce a desire to leave the npc corp.




This I find amusing coming from you, as you war-dec corps for isk not PvP.




The reality is that the game caters for PvPers and PvEers, you will never get a perfect game all you can hope for is a best fit. Being a best fit will not make those towards the extremes of both groups happy, they never will do.

PvPers and PvEers require different things. Part of the problem with catering to both groups is the more extreme of the PvPers want PvEers to PvP, which of course the PvEers don't take kindly to.




One other thing, this is going off topic, so if you want to change the topic, I'd suggest starting another thread.

That's not how this works.

Highsec has too much safety. Yes, the end result of this will be that you have less safety. Yes, you are expected, just like every other group in the history of EVE Online so far except you, to eat a nerf for the sake of the health of the overall game.




Well, more than one of us isn't, anyway. That'd be your side too, by the way, where you won't accept anything other than perfect safety, and wardecs being toothless.