Wormholes

Who cares if it "isn't as bad as you thought"

The point is it's a terrible mechanic that only serves to waste players time. Fact is that rage rolling was risk free before and still is.

If you warp to the hole with 2 caps and an orca, and then jump through, nobody is possibly going to be able to scan down that new exit and respond with a fleet to kill you before you can--in the worst case scenario--slowboat your caps back to the wormhole. It just takes longer now. I strongly disagree with mechanics that simply make something more complicated without any significant change in the status quo.

I also don't think that standard jumping is any riskier either. For capitals, your risk is just as high now as it was before--it was very easy to carrier trap people before, just nobody did it because they didn't know how/didn't want to wait/etc...

For subcaps, there is 0 risk unless you're dumb. Any battleship properly fit moves fast enough to get back to the wormhole, and frankly any BS prior to this patch that managed to escape people decloaking to kill it just got lucky. Bouncing a ship back and forth between wormholes isn't hard.

In fact, I think that specific ships are EVEN SAFER now because of the change (read: cloaky T3's) since they always land out of decloak range whereas there used to be the chance of landing within 2 km of the wormhole and not being able to cloak.

This mechanic only makes it easier to catch dumb people (which nobody needs help with), at the expense of wasting the time of everybody else. If you like the mechanic, you're clearly a psychotic, unemployed, lazy, slowbrained manchild who doesn't value his time enough. Rage rolling was already a time waste to being with. Now it's not only LONGER, it's also MORE INVOLVED. You either waste much much much more time burning your caps back to the wormhole, or have to expend needless effort to burn a ping and warp/web warp your caps.

What a joke.

Oh yea, the fact that rage rolling is still nessecary is a ******* joke as well. Why don't you fix that CCP, then maybe this change wouldn't be so bad. Fact is that w-space is not populated enough (no thanks to Hyperion), and there is no method of navigating effectively to where you want to go in w-space. Rage-rolling is the answer to both of these and I think this should be your top priority to fix because it's the worst emergent gameplay ever -- basically:

1) ROLL DICE
2) WASTE 2 MORE HOURS ROLLING DICE BECAUSE IT TAKES A GAJILLION HOURS
3) ????
4) Eventually profit after rage rolling long enough that you managed to get deep vein thrombosis for sitting in your chair too long.

It's great for inducing fights, or potential fights. It also stops the stupid bears dead in their tracks.

Overall pvp corps seem to love this change, even if it does take a minute extra to roll a hole.

So PL has a wormhole presence? This I didn't know.



Oh yeah, that was known since the day mass/spawn distance was announced. Even before it hit TQ. We don't know if this change was targeted at rage-rolling specifically though or just hole rolling generally.

I'm more interested in knowing if y'all are going back to rage rolling just to try it out or is it because the naturally formed chains are turning up empty now?

Does Perkone have a wormhole presence too?

I too rage roll with 2 caps and orca. Even works with a c4 static.

No its not but its the most efficient way to find a wh you're looking for. With rage rolling I am guaranteed to jump into a c5 system every ~5mins. If I could guarantee that to some degree just by scanning, I'd do it.

When you're rage rolling its not even worth it to scan out the static's c5 unless they can scan it down in less then a minute because caps are landing on the hole and rolling by that time.

Pot, meet kettle.

I do understand. I know how it works. But if rr is the tried and tested most efficient way to find what you're looking for, why does someone consider it worth of fixing? Why all the hate for rr when there is no better way?

Do you really want a drop down list at each wh letting you chose where to go?

Oops, that little snippet got taken the wrong way. It was an innocent question, not a troll. I had no idea whether he had a wormhole alt and AT was his posting toon (like this toon) or if PL had some branch of itself living in a wormhole somewhere like goonswarm has (or used to have). He'll probably never say one way or the other in here so whatever.

Anyway I actually agree with his post, its just that it was a bit too long so I snipped it. Didn't realize that and my follow-up question could be misinterpreted. My apologies.

I'd stop with the tinfoil conspiracy theories, and stick to feedback on the changes. PL may / may not have an alt corp doin WH stuff. Although I seriously doubt that would be Snigg. Test I believe has 2 WH, although they'll prob end up rolling themselves out :3. Goons keep trying. -A- tried to "control" wspace or some other delusional scheme... Personally I don't care, it means more ppl to shoot at which is fine by me.

Don't forget null alliances need boots on the line, not bearing it up in some hole. WRT income, if you think about the renting empires, the moon goo, the ratting opportunities, and perhaps the recent Indy changes... Even the most committed bears would struggle to make that kind of isk for an alliance. some individual groups may try, but I can't see it being sanctioned at alliance level. Therefore if u get invaded, papa goon not going to save u.