Wormholes

LOL

You sir, have a gift for one-liners.

Cheaper pvp really? You found much cheap worthy pvp so far with the frig holes? It been out for some time now, so have you?

And yes, bait orca not obvious at all.

Frig holes are like the Nestor of w-space. Frigs have a pretty limited engagement profile in terms of what they can kill without getting WTF BBQ'd. Stuff you'll find on the other side of the frig hole is prolly not gonna be other frigs & dessys. More like T3's, smart bombing battleships, HACs, HICs, and other things that will basically **** you up. Or there will be nothing on the other side.

I guess its cheaper PvP since you won't lose much when you lose your frig. But you would need a pretty big swarm of the little buggers to get kills against the most common PvP targets in w-space, which tend to have battlecruiser or better tanking capability. Getting those kinds of numbers is not easy.

The only real place where frig holes have a "use" is disrupting PvE activities in lower class holes. Ganking T1 BC's, BS's, salvage destroyers, noctis, and the occasional solo PvE T3. The problem is there's nothing the latter can do to prevent such a gank, except wait for the frig hole to close on its own or park a scout alt on the hole. This on top of all the extra random connections, mass/spawn distance making it harder/riskier to roll those extra connections and the lack of any incentive to bother with lower class wormhole sites in the first place and....well its easy to see that the current iteration of frig holes isn't going to bring more pilots to actually live in w-space, especially in lower class holes.

There can be a role for frig holes in w-space, but I don't see one currently outside of trolling people who are more likely than most to be new to w-space. Hence the Nestor comparison.

Make them spawn to null, or just kspace only. Its more likely you find something to do with them then.

Well the frig holes can already connect to null so can't help but think the CCP dev team behind this was like "hey goonswarm harpy fleets are awesome, lets send them to w-space and raise hell there hederpy derp derp" and there ya go.

For wormhole dudes, putting this kind of hole in our space is like building an aircraft carrier in the Sahara. I mean, to me it just has this "WTF is that doing here" quality to it. Its there, but there's no water, no backdrop provided to make sense out of it. Its like a half-finished project.

Based on my experience (~2 yrs in null blobbing it up), I'd say it is highly unlikely a goon harpy fleet (or any other entity) would end up forming a 200 man fleet solely to roam in wspace. Most null dwellers tend to ignore wormholes, and i doubt FC's would bother forming up to gank a ratter (most of the time fleets of that size take around half hr or so to form up).

However, i do remember the time when NC. came thru a wormhole connection into fountain and ganked the local NPC dwellers that liked to hotdrop peeps in their carriers - resulting in plenty of capital km whoring action on my behalf (pre-hyperion)

So never say never, but i seriously doubt this will become a regular occurrence. Having said that, I'm not in favour of them as wspace to wspace holes.

yes that is correct, i probably could have made it clearer, and i agree lowsec to null holes could actually be quite nice. However, on re-reading the dev blog this isn't even a possibility:



http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/into-the-known-unknowns/

the second point is kinda interesting as it suggests CCP recognise the problems of numbers in high vs low class holes, yet the current approach is based on a linear scale which assumes rising population levels from c1 through to c6. I'd argue this is not necessarily true. For instance, i'd wager there are probably quite a few larger c2 corps than c3-c4 corps... altho, i accept this is based on observation rather than actual metrics.

Connecting FW systems would be pretty cool. And null to null frig holes might be a game-changer as far as enabling surprise attacks via cyno into deep blue null as it would bypass local and intel channels. Might be a place for it there if the sov changes are halfway decent.

Yeah, K-K frigate holes makes much more sense than W-K and W-W. They are (can be) strategic back alleys through heavily guarded areas. Nullsec and especially Lowsec loves them some frigates, too. When they were being introduced, K-space people were asking for them but CCP said no (or to wait, or something).

In W-space, we don't normally use frigates. We could if we wanted, but we don't. These holes only restrict what we would normally do, so in effect it's saying: "Those shiny toys you like to play with? You can't use them here. Use those things you either don't own or haven't flown since you moved in. You're welcome."


Frigate holes are a great idea. In K-space. They need to take them out of W-space and put them where they fit, not shoe-horn them into a place where they don't. Give them to people who want them, not to people who don't.

I really like this idea.