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Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#61 - 2014-09-16 14:20:14 UTC
tl;dr: OP doesn't have any friends yet still wants to farm FW plexes in peace and quiet. Some other guy says "no."

Tear-jar engage.
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#62 - 2014-09-16 15:40:47 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Torneach Structor wrote:
Yes, off-grid boosting sucks majorly. It may or may not get changed in the future - I have no references to CCP from which to draw any conclusion.

However, do you really think the situation would have been any different if his booster were on-grid?

It's still you versus two of them - one of which you cannot catch, and the other would probably be tanked enough to endure the assault of even an interdictor.

The end result would still be the same, and the solution would still be the same - bring some friends.



Boosters are always glass-fit - command processors, CPUs and links, cloak and prop maybe. No active tank. Not hard to kill.


I must be doing it wrong them. My damnations have close to 300k EHP with implants in and can do a reasonable amount of damage.

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#63 - 2014-09-16 15:44:07 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
While theorycrafting can be a lot of fun (at least for me) I have come to the realization that sometimes in Eve you just plain can't do **** to come out on top of a certain situations. I'd just move.





This is always a valid option, and sometimes it's the smartest course of action.

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Nishachara
Stillwater Corporation
#64 - 2014-09-16 17:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Nishachara
This could be fun for you :-)
Your target is the expensive tengu, not the garmur.
Stalk him, learnhis habbits, bait him and probe him down, i meansurely one of your friends will come for an one hour to help you.
Probe him down few times douring several days as you or your friends bait him.
Bookmark his safe spots, learn his habbits, have bookmarks of places in system where he is mostly at, people have bms that sometimes they dont change.
And when you are ready spring yor plan into actionand get the tengu.
You are looking at this the wrong way... its not that unbeatable garmur pilot is harassing you.
A fool is exposing a billion isk glass ship in your system, an oportunity for nice kill and maybe even a profit if its faction fitted...
You are not trapped there by him, he is trapped there with you...
Good luck... now, get in your ship and go to work, pilot :-)
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#65 - 2014-09-16 18:29:17 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
tl;dr: OP doesn't have any friends yet still wants to farm FW plexes in peace and quiet. Some other guy says "no."

Tear-jar engage.


meh. He's looking for advice. At least he's willing to PVP instead of just docking up to wait for them to leave!

So if you were in his corp you would say, "you suck".

A lot of other people here have actually given him ideas that he might be able to integrate into his EVE thinking.

so who is the loser here? The one who says, "I need ideas" and gets them?

or the one who says, "you suck"?

Of the two, I know which one I would want in my corp for long term success.

T-
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#66 - 2014-09-16 18:48:31 UTC
Posting in a stealth 'nerf ogb' thread.

Get a set of scanning implants and a cov ops scanner and scan down the tengu while engaging the garmur.

I offgrid boost dualbox quite a bit (not in FW mind you) and when you start a fight with the garmur it should give you enough time to scan down the booster.

That's what I would do.

Not today spaghetti.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-09-16 20:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
I'm lazy, so I'd give up on killing the garmur and/or the tengu (too much effort) and focus on ruining his plexing endeavours instead.

Use a Maulus, for example. Fit 3 sensor damps and a scram, don't worry about prop mod since you won't catch him anyway.

Some armor tank, drones.

Sit on the beacon, damp him, laugh.

If he comes close, kill him.

If he runs around >30 km from the beacon, laugh twice and run the timer.

If he runs around <30 km from the beacon but out of scram range, mock him in local while preventing him from taking the plex.

If he gives up, op success.

\o/


Alternative: do the same thing with something that can tank his dps; shouldn't be much on a garmur IIRC.

EDIT: 2nd alternative: a Kitsune

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-09-16 21:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Oddsodz wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
what matters is what you can do about it.



And that is the point, Right now I can not see a way to beat this,. That is why I am asking you guys.


Please,. Do take a minute (or 10) to re re read this whole thing again. I am not insulting anybody. But nobody has come with a valid way to counter this scenario apart from leave and don't come back. I Wish for a way to fight this that does not mean I have to sit AFK for hours looking at blank space only to get blown out of the water anyway. Don't matter if I win or lose,. But I want a chance of winning. Right now I do not one. Probeings links will not help me when I am in the fight and blowing up because not one weapon system in the game can hit. Getting friends will not help as I can not tank or get scram on the Garmur no matter how many Sensor booster I fit. As somebody already posted that due to server tick rates, I would never get scram before he is out of scram range. DAMPS are not going to help as most Garmur have there own sensor booster mods plus Warfare link that give extra lock range. And I would be in a novice or small plex, So I can't bring a cruiser or bigger. Keres with 2 damps is dead in 2 volleys. Keres has no tank in that setup. I Can't probe down the link booster ship,. And nobody else can in the time frame needed to kill the Garmur or the booster, No matter how I see it. Effort is not the issue. Not getting a chance to win is the issue.
As I posted above, if damps don't work, tank him or jam him.

For giggles, I just EFT'd a dragoon with 2 armor reppers, 2 armor hardeners (that you shall swap using a mobile depot, to dynamically adapt to his ammo), 2 cap rechargers, 3 cap rigs.

Tanks 218 dps forever (cap stable) on explosive, 348 dps on EM.

Or - probably better - use a Vengeance, a Hawk, anything with high resists and/or repping bonuses.

The point is, winning in EVE doesn't always mean killing people. It sometimes means preventing the 'enemy' from achieving his objectives.

The dude doesn't really wanna 'play' with you, he just wants an 'I win' button. Break his 'I win' button and laugh.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-09-16 22:52:54 UTC
Now them last 2 post are some good ideas that I might just be able to work with, Still want to kill him mind you. The Dragoon idea is something I can fly. I shall try that. Thanks.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-09-16 22:59:12 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:
Now them last 2 post are some good ideas that I might just be able to work with, Still want to kill him mind you. The Dragoon idea is something I can fly. I shall try that. Thanks.
Yw.

You can kill him with cockbag thrashers, but you'll need a friend or two depending on his hp. Better to set up a trap at a gate.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#71 - 2014-09-16 23:14:43 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:
So let me tell you a story.

I am in Faction warfare in lowsec. And today I log in to see that there 1 neutral and 1 war target plexing in my system. The war target is in a bomber,. So I get a ship and go after him. I land inside the plex that he is in and he runs away. But as soon he is warping away. But as soon as he warps away a new player has jumped in to system I check d-SCAN and I see a a Garmur and now there is tengu on d-scan. So I know whats coming a dock back up. I think to myself,. What can I do to combat this new threat.

So I have a think and from my PVP experience I know that Garmur are almost always kite fit. Get a scram on them and they are dead., So I fit up a sensor booster on to my ship and also a signal amp, That should let me lock and scram the Garmur when he lands inside the plex with me. This ship I was using is a Heretic. Its a t2 Destroyer, Has great damage projection and good tank. So anyway., Where did I go wrong?

As this is what happened.

I Am in the plex waiting at zero on the landing spot. I have my Sensor Booster PRE over heated ready for when he lands,. In comes the Garmur then I just nothing,. I turn on my OVER HEATED sensor booster and approach him with my MWD on, I lock the Garmur, But my scram does not land. The Garmur is already 20km away and getting more distance, So I can't cram him now, He is too fast, I align out and try to boomerang out of his point range,. Nope, That not working. And all the time I am firing my misses and not one of them is hitting him, NOT ONE. He is now going 7000Km speed around my ship at a distance of 38km. So now I all I can do is just wait to lose my ship.

I know why this did not work. He had a t3 TENGU BOOSTER. That was the neutral that was in system when I 1st logged in.

So I am wondering, What can I do to combat this? Now before anybody says, Get your own links. Now that does not help. As links would not help me lock this ship or scram at 20km when my ship got lock on his. Getting friends to come and help might be an answer, But everybody I know that does PVP are not interested in chasing a t1 frig that has links. As they all know it is not worth the time or effort because they can do no better that me at catching it.

Here is the lost mail so that you can all giggle at me.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/41290863/


So at this point., I am stuck. They are now going to plex the system that I live in with 1 faction warfare player., And there is no way I can stop them at all,. No body that lives around the system that I live in is interested in combating them as they can't be bothered to chase a bomber that can hide. And nobody in interested in trying to kill a linked Garmur. As they know it is not worth there time. The only real options I have are STAY DOCKED. Or Leave and go back to hisec.

This is all becasue they have a t3 off grid booster that I can not engage. And they have a ship that I can not hit. It don't matter what ship I can bring,. Nothing can hit a speed tanking frig that can go upto 12000km.

The end result is I have lost my home in lowsec to 1 player who happens to have a t3 booster tengu.

So what would you do to combat this?




What would I do?

Well I would not post about it in the forums. Not in GD anyway. You are going to be dealing with people who will hurf and blurf that this game is not pay to win yet they have multiple accounts "just to win" and tell you that you need your own OGB seven ways to Sunday.

From there you risk that feeling you get when you realize you're the only one taking crazy pills and then it's only a matter of time that you'll be posting a "leaving Eve" thread and people will say "don't let the door hit you" and overlook that you have managed to open the door while they cannot see the lock.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#72 - 2014-09-17 00:09:26 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I'm lazy, so I'd give up on killing the garmur and/or the tengu (too much effort) and focus on ruining his plexing endeavours instead.

ne


A friend of mine did exactly this. He wasn't in FW (in fact none of us really know the first thing about it) but some low sec guys kept hounding his corp. What they didn't know is that our old corp looked small but we had good connections. He called in some favours and in the course of a couple of days the problem with being hounded was solved.

Every one of their POS's and all of their customs offices were gone and 40 guys, moved alts into their low sec base. He tried to negotiate but they wouldn't so the violence escalated to the point where they pretty much couldn't undock.

We infiltrated them. We demoralized them. We awoxed them.

He kept talking to them. All he wanted was compensation and for them to move to high sec (adding insult to injury) :)

They declined but it didn't take long before they disbanded their corp. To this day my friend talks proudly about being one of the few players in EVE to have caused a corp to disband... I must admit, I'm not as cruel but it was good content while it lasted. I'm sure the other guys didn't see it like that though. Lol
Vyl Vit
#73 - 2014-09-17 00:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Decian Cor wrote:
My question is this:

If OP was at 0 on landing spot, why was it necessary to 'approach the target with MWD on'? That comment leads me to think he was NOT at 0. From my personal experience, if you don't move AT ALL after taking a FW gate, things normally land within 2k or so of your ship. I may be wrong, but that seems the trend to me.

If that was then the case (OP was in correct position), had proper targeting skills with SEBO+scan res script AND a sig amp as well....how the hell did he not lock it it fast enough to land a scram?

I think this post is missing information or not as transparent as it needs to be in order to correctly analyze the problem and formulate a solution. May just be a rant. But that's just my opinion.

As he rose and took the bait....Judging by his response just after your post, I think you're right. There's something he ain't tellin' us. One thing might be, he's got a bone to pick with the current status of the game, and invented a scenario to illustrate his point.

You are clever Siddhartha, but beware your cleverness.

I declare this a troll thread. Continue to feed at your own risk.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Paranoid Loyd
#74 - 2014-09-17 00:45:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Vyl Vit wrote:
I declare this a troll thread. Continue to feed at your own risk.


Pointed this out on page 1.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Vyl Vit
#75 - 2014-09-17 01:10:32 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
I declare this a troll thread. Continue to feed at your own risk.


Pointed this out on page 1.
Yeah, but...you're PARANOID!!

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-09-17 02:02:16 UTC
I know they will nerf boosters!

I'm pretty sure of that!

1- I trained some Alts to missile ships and they nerfed it just as I finished;

2- I speced 2 of my Chars for drones and they nerfed it, quite immediately;

3- Well, fair enough, lemme specialize in Command Ships, done, nerfed

4- I changed and thought that Ishtar would be the way to go... I was happy for a few...

5- I'm finishing all leadership skills with that Char speced on L5 CS (3) with 2 jump clones filled with over 3B isk implants each in 20 days... guess what.

But, since tthe deadline you gave for CCP has expired, as pointed by Paranoid and you will not give him your stuff, if you contract me that same stuff, I will try to kill that Garmur for you, over and over and over, deal?

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#77 - 2014-09-17 04:20:24 UTC
As for the counter, every single ship and fit has at least one counter, and that's 'the same ship & fit'. Have you tried bringing your own Garmur and booster? Maybe you don't like alt, but since you say you have 'friends' maybe you have a friend who can boost?

Then it's a fair game. Garmur + booster vs.Garmur + booster. It will all come down to SP & piloting skills.

Your problem as I see it is that you are too stubborn on the way in which you want to catch him. If your objective is to kill the Garmur or kill the Tengu booster or make them leave the system, there are so many ways to achieve this and you've been given plenty of advice.

The Garmur pilot + booster have put their chips on the table. You are refusing to match their chips yet whining that you can't win.

It's just like poker. Either you call or fold. If you don't think you have good cards, just fold but don't whine afterwards for the other player for betting more than you can afford to match.

Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-09-17 05:30:12 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
I declare this a troll thread. Continue to feed at your own risk.


Pointed this out on page 1.


Gentlemen, troll thread or not, it elicited a lot of advice and knowledge that anyone can use. Even if it is not a win for the OP, I see it as a win for anyone who reads it and learns something.
Paranoid Loyd
#79 - 2014-09-17 05:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Gargep Farrow wrote:
Gentlemen, troll thread or not, it elicited a lot of advice and knowledge that anyone can use. Even if it is not a win for the OP, I see it as a win for anyone who reads it and learns something.

Agreed.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Rockstede
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-09-17 06:19:10 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:

in your tests, Did you have ECCM fitted to your booster? Also did you have ECCM implants in your Booster pilots head? Come back to me when you have done that.



Done. I still managed to do it even with a t3 booster which already has a small sig radius/high sensor strength.



Your argument is now officially invalid.